Under 19's away for 10 days in Bulgaria

**MariborKev** · 15/10/2010, 2:34 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Flexy, it's been pointed out to you already that the number of scouts at these matches alone renders them not pointless.

Can you please read what other people have to say before coming in with blind defence of your club?

Stu,

There were a number of scouts at the Derry v Shels game. In fact I would nearly wager that there more at that game than at the u19 games....

**Dodge** · 15/10/2010, 2:37 PM

Well thats just it SvD. The FAI do themselves no favours with their ambiguous rules

And the FAI are fairly used to players withdrawing from underage national squads if they're called into English first teams squads etc.

I honestly think that if Derry contacted the FAI to say that McEleney was badly needed by them, the FAI would've excsed him. They've no business is ****ing the lad and the club off either. Derry probably thought that'd set alarm bells ringing if the FAI said no and he pulled out injured.

**Dodge** · 15/10/2010, 2:37 PM

Originally Posted by MariborKev

Stu,

There were a number of scouts at the Derry v Shels game. In fact I would nearly wager that there more at that game than at the u19 games....

Not to see your injured lad, surely?

**Roo69** · 15/10/2010, 2:52 PM

Originally Posted by MariborKev

Stu,

There were a number of scouts at the Derry v Shels game. In fact I would nearly wager that there more at that game than at the u19 games....

I would highly doubt that IMO, having dealt with scouts requesting access to League/Cup games and then International games in the Carlisle Grounds, International games win hands down for the number of scouts that attend these games.

An international game could attract up to 15 or 20 scouts from all over Europe, League of Cup games would attract a max of 3 or 4 from the UK

**MariborKev** · 15/10/2010, 2:55 PM

Thankfully not Dodge. A few others are getting interest though....

**CSFShels** · 15/10/2010, 4:31 PM

No point in us worrying over it now. Whats done is done, and we probably wouldn't have gone on to win the league anyway, so we should just concentrate on getting playoffs. Monaghan on the other hand have genuine reason to feel completely cheated if Derry go on to win the league which I think they will. Some things never change in the county of Derry.

**SwanVsDalton** · 15/10/2010, 5:10 PM

Originally Posted by CSFShels

Monaghan on the other hand have genuine reason to feel completely cheated if Derry go on to win the league which I think they will. Some things never change in the county of Derry.

Steady on there title winners of '06. Even if the whole thing smells of pork, and even if Derry have engaged in a serious slice of pre-meditated cheating, it's all been done under the condoning eyes of our fair football association. Their ambiguous rules and poor enforcement is where the real annoyance lies.

I don't have a problem if the rule is enforced the same for every club. Evens it won't be though.

**CSFShels** · 15/10/2010, 5:18 PM

Just because the FAI are cheats, does not make Derry any less cheats.

**dfx-** · 15/10/2010, 5:25 PM

Originally Posted by CSFShels

No point in us worrying over it now. Whats done is done, and we probably wouldn't have gone on to win the league anyway, so we should just concentrate on getting playoffs. Monaghan on the other hand have genuine reason to feel completely cheated if Derry go on to win the league which I think they will. Some things never change in the county of Derry.

That's almost magnanimous..

*suspicious*

**CSFShels** · 15/10/2010, 5:33 PM

Originally Posted by dfx-

That's almost magnanimous..

*suspicious*

If this were at the end of the season and we'd missed out on something as a result, I'd be absolutely ****ing fuming. Derry have cheated here point blank, the FAI have facilitated it, and they'll probably win the league as a result. But in the end it is Monaghan that suffer as a result, not really us. Extra 3 points or no, if we mess up against Limerick and Waterford we won't get playoffs. Everyone involved in Shels just needs to put this in the past, it wasn't fair, it was dishonest, we probably should have expected the unfair outcome, but now we have playoffs to qualify for, and promotion to win. We sure as hell aren't going to get either of those if we sit around crying over this. We know how things are done in Derry, you know how things are done in Derry, hell even people from Derry know how things are done at their clubs.

**VinnyDCFC** · 15/10/2010, 5:33 PM

Originally Posted by CSFShels

Just because the FAI are cheats, does not make Derry any less cheats.

Where did Derry cheat?

**Derry** · 15/10/2010, 5:39 PM

Vinny, you might notice that there was no out cry when this happened before. Facts are, bad losers will cling to anything.

**SwanVsDalton** · 15/10/2010, 5:40 PM

Originally Posted by CSFShels

Just because the FAI are cheats, does not make Derry any less cheats.

Who exactly are the FAI cheating? The last thing they would want is yet another promotion demotion scandal. Clearly they've rolled over for a reason, whether because of the ambiguity of the rule or the unenforceable aspects of it, and I hope they'll do so for other teams when it inevitably happens again - whether they do or not has nothing to do with Derry.

And when it doesn't happen again, will it makes the other teams 'cheats' as well? Not exactly title robbing in fairness.

**CSFShels** · 15/10/2010, 5:42 PM

Originally Posted by VinnyDCFC

Where did Derry cheat?

Do you wish for me to elaborate on the dual contracts they were giving out over a period of a number of years? The creditors they cheated out of money owed to them? Or we could refer to the instance in question here? Any of these is good for you? Are you here to tell me that McEleney's recovery was genuine and that he went from being unable to perform in an under 19s international match on the 7th to being able to play 90 minutes on the 9th and score 2 goals? Of course you are. Dishonesty is the Derry way.

You've gotten your 3 points, theres no point in trying to plead innocence aswell. You won't find many unaware as to the reality.

**CSFShels** · 15/10/2010, 5:43 PM

Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

Who exactly are the FAI cheating? The last thing they would want is yet another promotion demotion scandal. Clearly they've rolled over for a reason, whether because of the ambiguity of the rule or the unenforceable aspects of it, and I hope they'll do so for other teams when it inevitably happens again - whether they do or not has nothing to do with Derry.

And when it doesn't happen again, will it makes the other teams 'cheats' as well? Not exactly title robbing in fairness.

The FAI have been cheating to achieve their desired outcome for a number of years. I think that is pretty much common knowledge. FAI and the fudge come pretty much hand in hand.

**VinnyDCFC** · 15/10/2010, 5:49 PM

Originally Posted by CSFShels

Do you wish for me to elaborate on the dual contracts they were giving out over a period of a number of years? The creditors they cheated out of money owed to them? Or we could refer to the instance in question here? Any of these is good for you? Are you here to tell me that McEleney's recovery was genuine and that he went from being unable to perform in an under 19s international match on the 7th to being able to play 90 minutes on the 9th and score 2 goals? Of course you are. Dishonesty is the Derry way.

You've gotten your 3 points, theres no point in trying to plead innocence aswell. You won't find many unaware as to the reality.

Where did Derry cheat in the McEleney case?
He got injured in Wexford on the 1st October and was well enough to play on the 9th October against Shelbourne, what's the problem?

**Flexy** · 15/10/2010, 8:29 PM

Originally Posted by CSFShels

If this were at the end of the season and we'd missed out on something as a result, I'd be absolutely ****ing fuming. Derry have cheated here point blank, the FAI have facilitated it, and they'll probably win the league as a result. But in the end it is Monaghan that suffer as a result, not really us. Extra 3 points or no, if we mess up against Limerick and Waterford we won't get playoffs. Everyone involved in Shels just needs to put this in the past, it wasn't fair, it was dishonest, we probably should have expected the unfair outcome, but now we have playoffs to qualify for, and promotion to win. We sure as hell aren't going to get either of those if we sit around crying over this. We know how things are done in Derry, you know how things are done in Derry, hell even people from Derry know how things are done at their clubs.

Dry your eyes and read 3-0

**Shedendinvisibl** · 15/10/2010, 9:56 PM

Originally Posted by VinnyDCFC

Where did Derry cheat in the McEleney case?
He got injured in Wexford on the 1st October and was well enough to play on the 9th October against Shelbourne, what's the problem?

Refer back to the numerous posts that show the FAI rule in relation to players called up to international duties that cry off. It's plain and clear matter how you guys try and bend it.

The bigger issue is the fact that the FAI can't apply their own rules and it says more about their ineptness and spinelessness more than it does about Derry IMO.

**CSFShels** · 15/10/2010, 9:59 PM

Originally Posted by Shedendinvisibl

Refer back to the numerous posts that show the FAI rule in relation to players called up to international duties that cry off. It's plain and clear matter how you guys try and bend it.

The bigger issue is the fact that the FAI can't apply their own rules and it says more about their ineptness and spinelessness more than it does about Derry IMO.

Summed it up much better than I could. Derry fans shouldn't assume innocence just because the FAI haven't punished them. On that basis, we should assume every team has always been 65% compliant.

**MariborKev** · 15/10/2010, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by CSFShels

Do you wish for me to elaborate on the dual contracts they were giving out over a period of a number of years? The creditors they cheated out of money owed to them? Or we could refer to the instance in question here? Any of these is good for you? Are you here to tell me that McEleney's recovery was genuine and that he went from being unable to perform in an under 19s international match on the 7th to being able to play 90 minutes on the 9th and score 2 goals? Of course you are. Dishonesty is the Derry way.

You've gotten your 3 points, theres no point in trying to plead innocence aswell. You won't find many unaware as to the reality.

CSF,

If you are going to have a go, at least have keep it to the issue in hand. A historic mudslinging hardly leads Richmond Road looking like the Gardens of Babylon.

McEleney pulled out of the squad after the Wexford game, a game he limped off in with about twenty minutes to go. A game a full eight days before the Shels game. He contacted the team management following that game and was released from the squad. The management retained the right to tell him to still join up with the squad with the hope that he recovered for the games. They didn't.

Perhaps the next time you see Paul Doolin, ask him about the whole thing. Still though, keep shouting your mouth off. It is much more amusing.