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**Greenbod** · 27/04/2004, 3:31 PM

Originally Posted by finlma

And I will argue. I think you'll find it was our good friend Roy Keane who dragged us to the World Cup.

And I think you'll find we started all the qualifiers with 11 players. Some of them even played in the tournament after getting there!

**Dodge** · 27/04/2004, 3:34 PM

Originally Posted by Greenbod

Why? Christ people's memories are short! A goal against Holland away. A goal against Holland at home. Sure you could argue he practically dragged us to the World cup single handedly!!

McAteer is so eager to play for his country that he'll actually fake fitness to get in the team!

Originally Posted by Greenbod

And I think you'll find we started all the qualifiers with 11 players. Some of them even played in the tournament after getting there!

It seems some have shorter memroies than others.

Anyway back to how he qualifies for Ireland?

**Greenbod** · 27/04/2004, 3:36 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

And how is he Irish?

By birth, by FIFA eligibility rules, and according to the Irish government who gave him a passport.

**Plastic Paddy** · 27/04/2004, 3:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

It seems some have shorter memroies than others.

Anyway back to how he qualifies for Ireland?

AFAIR, he has two Irish grandparents, one from the north and one from the republic. He also has a Welsh grandparent and as we all know was born in Liverpool. Hence the four-way qualification.

Why did he choose Ireland? Probably 'cos we're better than the rest...

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**tiktok** · 27/04/2004, 3:39 PM

IMO McAteer has been a great servant, he might not be the smartest (cut that pizza into four, I couldn't eat eight slices [allegedly]

) and his falling out wth Keane was tabloid fodder for a while but neither of those facts has anything to do with him in an irish shirt where he's put in some great performances.

I think Keane was our outstanding player in the lead up to the 2002 WC, but obviously he was'nt the only player on the field. Even Richard Dunne put in a couple of great performances, but the squad got us there.

The only time I've ever felt let down by McAteer was when he faked fitness in 2002. The goal against Holland to put us in the play-off more than cancels it out.

In fairness Dodge, there have been players less deserving of being called irish, one in our current squad in particular.

**Dodge** · 27/04/2004, 3:55 PM

In my time the players who should never have been given a passport...
McAteer, Paul Butler (worst ever and wouldn't get one now...), Alan Kernaghan and Cascirino.

Read my post on the McGready thread. I have nothing against players born outside the country playing for Ireland. I have no problem with anybody holding dual nationality and being proud of their other nationality (even singing that other anthem) What I have a huge problem is footballers using my country in a bid to further their own career.

Not doubting his efforts whilst in the team but there's no ****ing way he anybody can tell me McAteer's Irish?

**Greenbod** · 27/04/2004, 3:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

It seems some have shorter memroies than others.

I said you "could" argue, not that I would ever argue that any one player alone was responsible for our qualification.

Anyway back to my original question which you forgot to answer (memory problem perhaps?). Why would anything that drove McAteer out of the squad be a good thing?

**Greenbod** · 27/04/2004, 3:57 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Not doubting his efforts whilst in the team but there's no ****ing way he anybody can tell me McAteer's Irish?

But I just did

**Dodge** · 27/04/2004, 4:01 PM

CORRECTION
There's no way anybody will convince me that McAteer is Irish

**Greenbod** · 27/04/2004, 4:05 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

CORRECTION
There's no way anybody will convince me that McAteer is Irish

Fair enough. I know when I'm beaten. I can't convince my son that vegetables are good for him either.

**�anna** · 27/04/2004, 4:53 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Well its not his country for a start....

Can we stick to football and leave the racist comments out of it?

he has played his heart out for this country and only a very small and petty individual would come out with t the crap you're spouting now Dodge. I thought you were better than that

**NeilMcD** · 27/04/2004, 4:55 PM

I think if you look up the word racism i dont think you will find what dodge says falls under that. It maybe unfair etc, but its not racist and that is a pretty strong term to be using to somebody.

**Plastic Paddy** · 27/04/2004, 5:03 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I think if you look up the word racism i dont think you will find what dodge says falls under that. It maybe unfair etc, but its not racist and that is a pretty strong term to be using to somebody.

What would you call it Neil?

The implication that McAteer is a second-class citizen constitutes racism in my book. Don't forget, there's plenty hereabouts who weren't born on the auld sod and plenty more who have ancestry other than Irish. Jibes like that made by Dodge about McAteer could be applicable to all of us.

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**NeilMcD** · 27/04/2004, 5:08 PM

read my post i said it was unfair and it maybe not correct but its not racism. racism is when you hate a person due to his race. I dont believe dodge saying that mc ateer is not Irish is racism. YOu may not like it or i may not like it but its not racism

**NeilMcD** · 27/04/2004, 5:10 PM

Racism is prejudice or discrimination based on the belief that race is the primary factor determining human traits and abilities. Racism includes the belief that genetic or inherited differences produce the inherent superiority or inferiority of one race over another. In the name of protecting their race from "contamination," some racists justify the domination and destruction of races they consider to be either superior or inferior. Institutional racism is racial prejudice supported by institutional power and authority used to the advantage of one race over others

**Plastic Paddy** · 27/04/2004, 5:16 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Racism is prejudice or discrimination based on the belief that race is the primary factor determining human traits and abilities. Racism includes the belief that genetic or inherited differences produce the inherent superiority or inferiority of one race over another. In the name of protecting their race from "contamination," some racists justify the domination and destruction of races they consider to be either superior or inferior. Institutional racism is racial prejudice supported by institutional power and authority used to the advantage of one race over others

Source?

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**NeilMcD** · 27/04/2004, 5:18 PM

I did a search on google and that is what came up but check most dictionarys and i dont think you will find what Dodge said was racism. It maybe offensive or not nice but its not racism

**WeAreRovers** · 27/04/2004, 5:33 PM

Originally Posted by �anna

Can we stick to football and leave the racist comments out of it?

he has played his heart out for this country and only a very small and petty individual would come out with t the crap you're spouting now Dodge. I thought you were better than that

How the fack is that racist? You've been listening to Dolan too much.

Wish I'd discovered this thread earlier. McAteer is Scouse scum and is in no way Irish (or indeed a footballer) As for that Holland game which his apologists are bleating about, I think you'll find that a certain Roy Keane won that game almost single-handedly.

And Dodge, you can add Matt "God Save the Queen" Holland to the list of those who should never have been capped.

KOH

**Plastic Paddy** · 27/04/2004, 5:39 PM

Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

McAteer is Scouse scum and is in no way Irish

And Dodge, you can add Matt "God Save the Queen" Holland to the list of those who should never have been capped.

"Scouse scum"? Have you just fallen out of the 1970s or something?

I guess you have, because your language is suggestive of it and you've missed the 50-odd caps McAteer won in the meantime. (For Ireland, in case you hadn't worked it out.) Oh, and the cracking goal Holland scored against Cameroon in the first game of the World Cup 2002.

As for your comment about Holland, there are other threads that explain why he is perfectly entitled to sing GSTQ, even though you might not like it.

PP