FAI Junior Cup 2010/11

**nononsense** · 24/05/2011, 2:08 PM

Originally Posted by balls

its an annual rumour with chalkie eventually he may play with them but doubt it will be next season.breeno, higgins and jimmy carr are good enough for league of ireland but cant see them leaving saints

St.Michaels will lose known of the above. Good to see Daily Star made their Man of the Match Paul Breen. When one remembers he was very sick all week up to half hour before kick-off it was a tremendous personal display and deserving of his 9/10. Heartbreak for his brother Derek in goal and sad to see him in bits after the game - so distraught he couldn't pick up his runners-up medal. One must remember the massive number of clean sheets he had this season - an absolute gentleman both on and off the field.

**Balbec77** · 24/05/2011, 2:21 PM

Originally Posted by nononsense

St.Michaels will lose known of the above. Good to see Daily Star made their Man of the Match Paul Breen. When one remembers he was very sick all week up to half hour before kick-off it was a tremendous personal display and deserving of his 9/10. Heartbreak for his brother Derek in goal and sad to see him in bits after the game - so distraught he couldn't pick up his runners-up medal. One must remember the massive number of clean sheets he had this season - an absolute gentleman both on and off the field.

no doubt he will be back.

**Jofspring** · 24/05/2011, 4:13 PM

Originally Posted by nononsense

St.Michaels will lose known of the above

Presume you meant none there. Without knowing these lads there is nothing to say they might not be interested in stepping up to LOI if they where given the chance. If they are good enough and could commit I don't see why they wouldn't, whether that be with Limerick, Waterford, Cork etc....

**nononsense** · 24/05/2011, 5:30 PM

Originally Posted by Jofspring

Presume you meant none there. Without knowing these lads there is nothing to say they might not be interested in stepping up to LOI if they where given the chance. If they are good enough and could commit I don't see why they wouldn't, whether that be with Limerick, Waterford, Cork etc....

sorry, meant none as you say. Work commitments would rule out Breen and Carr. Don't mean to be rude but would First Division in LOI be such a positive. Haven't most of the Pike Rovers team turned their backs on LOI? Also saw Limerick play Carrick in final of Munster Senior Cup last night and Carrick were deserving winners 1-0. I'm not familiar with the regular Limerick line-out and perhaps they fielded a weakened side but the team last night were very poor.

**Jofspring** · 24/05/2011, 5:58 PM

Originally Posted by nononsense

sorry, meant none as you say. Work commitments would rule out Breen and Carr. Don't mean to be rude but would First Division in LOI be such a positive. Haven't most of the Pike Rovers team turned their backs on LOI? Also saw Limerick play Carrick in final of Munster Senior Cup last night and Carrick were deserving winners 1-0. I'm not familiar with the regular Limerick line-out and perhaps they fielded a weakened side but the team last night were very poor.

Ya only 3 first teamers started last night and two where on the bench. The rest are usually A players or subs. Thats not taking away from Carrick though, they deserve the cup.

If it was the likes of Limerick they where signing for it would be to try get promoted to the premier which I think would be a great thing for obvious reasons. The only thing really to entice players to play LOI is to test themselves at a higher level and maybe a few bob to do it. A lot of players have turned their back on it for different reasons, some weren't up to it and prefer to be big fish in small ponds, some couldn't commit to it and some have had disagreements with management etc.... It seems to me in Dublin players want to progress to play LOI from junior teams but outside of Dublin players are happy to stay playing with their junior clubs. A good example is how strong the Dublin teams are in the LOI in comparison to how good they are at junior. Limerick Waterford and Tipperary seem to be the strongest at the moment.

**blinkx** · 24/05/2011, 6:45 PM

Originally Posted by Jofspring

It seems to me in Dublin players want to progress to play LOI from junior teams but outside of Dublin players are happy to stay playing with their junior clubs. A good example is how strong the Dublin teams are in the LOI in comparison to how good they are at junior. Limerick Waterford and Tipperary seem to be the strongest at the moment.

And on the Dublin sides. All you have to do is look at the Dublin teams that have previously won the FAI Junior Cup, the majority have gone onto Leinster Senior League. Killester being the most recent. Having just won the Leinster Junior Cup are now going Senior League. It's easier for Leinster clubs to go Senior league as the majority are Dublin based. Financially it isn't worth it for Lim/Tipp/Waterford to enter the Munster Senior League at present, With most teams based in Cork Currently.

**Jofspring** · 24/05/2011, 6:57 PM

Originally Posted by blinkx

And on the Dublin sides. All you have to do is look at the Dublin teams that have previously won the FAI Junior Cup, the majority have gone onto Leinster Senior League. Killester being the most recent. Having just won the Leinster Junior Cup are now going Senior League. It's easier for Leinster clubs to go Senior league as the majority are Dublin based. Financially it isn't worth it for Lim/Tipp/Waterford to enter the Munster Senior League at present, With most teams based in Cork Currently.

True which is a pity. Would be good for the Limerick teams to have a senior league worth stepping up to. Once you have won everything at junior level, senior league should be the next step if a club so wished.

**xpskid** · 24/05/2011, 9:14 PM

Originally Posted by Jofspring

Ya only 3 first teamers started last night and two where on the bench. The rest are usually A players or subs. Thats not taking away from Carrick though, they deserve the cup.

If it was the likes of Limerick they where signing for it would be to try get promoted to the premier which I think would be a great thing for obvious reasons. The only thing really to entice players to play LOI is to test themselves at a higher level and maybe a few bob to do it. A lot of players have turned their back on it for different reasons, some weren't up to it and prefer to be big fish in small ponds, some couldn't commit to it and some have had disagreements with management etc.... It seems to me in Dublin players want to progress to play LOI from junior teams but outside of Dublin players are happy to stay playing with their junior clubs. A good example is how strong the Dublin teams are in the LOI in comparison to how good they are at junior. Limerick Waterford and Tipperary seem to be the strongest at the moment.

Limerick have a crucial league game Thursday night in Salthill and Cork city the week after so Scully wasn't going to risk too much.All the same though,well done to Carrick.Fantastic acheivement.

**theballboy** · 24/05/2011, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Jofspring

Ya only 3 first teamers started last night and two where on the bench. The rest are usually A players or subs. Thats not taking away from Carrick though, they deserve the cup.

If it was the likes of Limerick they where signing for it would be to try get promoted to the premier which I think would be a great thing for obvious reasons. The only thing really to entice players to play LOI is to test themselves at a higher level and maybe a few bob to do it. A lot of players have turned their back on it for different reasons, some weren't up to it and prefer to be big fish in small ponds, some couldn't commit to it and some have had disagreements with management etc.... It seems to me in Dublin players want to progress to play LOI from junior teams but outside of Dublin players are happy to stay playing with their junior clubs. A good example is how strong the Dublin teams are in the LOI in comparison to how good they are at junior. Limerick Waterford and Tipperary seem to be the strongest at the moment.

shame on limerick playing 3 first team players, i think its a disgrace and gives no credit to limerick soccer that such a lack of respect was shown to a trophy, it was there to be won fans deserved more.

**Jofspring** · 24/05/2011, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by theballboy

shame on limerick playing 3 first team players, i think its a disgrace and gives no credit to limerick soccer that such a lack of respect was shown to a trophy, it was there to be won fans deserved more.

And what if Limerick put out a first team and picked up a few injuries to key players like John Frost or Pat Purcell? It would have been very bad management from Pat Scully, especially with a League game Thursday, another league game Monday and they only played a league game last Friday too. That would be 4 games in 11 days. The fans would be like dogs with Scully to lose key players in the Munster Senior Cup and would probably be calling for him to resign. Especially if it cost us points in the league. Promotion is the be all and end all for Limerick. We won the senior cup a few years back and that got us no where.

**Innishvilla** · 25/05/2011, 7:55 AM

On Junior players moving to FAI teams. Lets be honest - if a guy is in a stable job at the moment are you really going to risk it all - when you look at how a lot of clubs are run in the FAI you get the feeling there is a high possibility that you might not get paid or a club could go belly up. In the current climate not worth the risk I think...

**Mission Bell** · 25/05/2011, 9:29 AM

Having beaten Cork City, away, and Limerick it would seem that there is'nt a major gulf between the first division and the top teams in Junior football.
One might say that beating Cork was a one off but to then win against another LOI side disproves this.

Over the past number of years Carrick Utd. have played League of Ireland opposition and have never looked out of place. Limerick would have been prepared for Monday nights clash, given Carrick's away win over Cork City and would have prepared accordingly.
Their propensity to hoof the ball, especially in the first half, hardly helped and it looked as if the junior side were more intent on keeping the ball on the ground

**Balbec77** · 25/05/2011, 9:30 AM

how are the celebrations going up in crossagala.i presume there still going on.

**Fairkop** · 25/05/2011, 2:09 PM

Originally Posted by nosebleds

now is as good a time to let everyone know,the orientexpress is on the rails and huffing and puffing away.Would like to congrats to ST micks for making PIKE fight all the way.as for man of the match colbert enright mullins borris ,on the end of the day the whole team did there bit,ROLL ON THE HOOPS.

thank you for letting us know,and to be fair the orientexpress has reached its destination and just as well it has.as a pike player said on radio this team was...put together specifically to win the fai....and it has achieved its goal in that respect,the huge resources invested in the squad have reaped a great reward,congratulations.a great day for pike and for limerick.

**Jofspring** · 25/05/2011, 4:37 PM

Originally Posted by Innishvilla

On Junior players moving to FAI teams. Lets be honest - if a guy is in a stable job at the moment are you really going to risk it all - when you look at how a lot of clubs are run in the FAI you get the feeling there is a high possibility that you might not get paid or a club could go belly up. In the current climate not worth the risk I think...

Agree if someone is in a stable job it may not be the best option. A few teams have left players down wages wise but from what I've seen players continued to sign for these teams for way over the odds wages knowing they might not get paid. Wages are much more reasonable now in the LOI and certain teams are paying up every week on time everytime like Limerick.

Some players will want to try LOI and some won't. I know if I was good enough I'd want to give it a go. Players can always return to junior soccer if it doesn't work out. If players are good enough they might get picked up by premier teams here and move on to better things in England. Look at Keith Fahey for example, he went over to England, didn't make it came back to Ireland and had a fresh start in LOI. Look at him now.