mayo section?
But we rarely see teams from Sligo/Leitrim, Roscommon or Clare/Desmond/ Kerry in latter stages of FAI or indeed Cork. Whereas Carrick and Waterford Crystal are fairly recent winners yet still only have two two representatives from their League.
mayo section?
is it just that Carrick and Crystal are/have been expectional sides in comparison to rest of the Waterford league? when Carrick or Crystal dont make it to the open draw how do your other representatives do?Originally Posted by Mission Bell
also how many Waterford teams make it to the open draw for the MJC??
Last edited by Longshanks; 27/10/2010 at 3:27 PM.
'I can live with disappointment, its the hope I cant handle'
simple answer Limerick and Cork have stronger junior teams so it makes sense to have more teams involved
outside of Ck Utd and Waterford crys ,all of Tramore , Dungarvan , Southend, Hibs , Johnville , bohs and not least Villa have been to later stages of Fai and Munster cups during past decade . No other league can boost similiar from small number of qualifiers. The standard is excellent, the numbers are political. The above statement shows lack of info and lack of respect to Waterford clubs efforts.
its to do with numbers of teams in leagues
Mayo Section:
Sunday 7th November:
Westpot United v Bangor Hibs
Ballyheane v Ballinrobe/Conn Rangers
Ballina Town v Urlar
Manulla v Kilmore
Ballyhaunis Town v Moy Villa
Achill Rovers v Castlebar Celtic
Kiltimagh/Knock United v Ballina United
Claremorris v Iorras Aontaithe
thats my opinion pal.... sounds like the organisers of the competition have no info either then. More clubs in Limerick and Cork, trying to get out of limerick itself can be an achievement due to the number of rounds.
forgive my ignorance, but how many Cork sides have been to later stages(quarters onwards) in the last 5/6 seasons??
'I can live with disappointment, its the hope I cant handle'
Isnt the fifth round the first 'open' round? by my logic all treams would have to win 4 games to get to the 'open' draw
'I can live with disappointment, its the hope I cant handle'
Actually the organisers of th FAI Junior Cup do need to take a look at whats quite evident to the naked eye.
Why pitch West Waterford in with Tipperary South and North?
Why have so many teams from Cork in latter stages when past performance does not merit same?
Why have only two reps from WJL which, if scrutinized, probably has the highest ratio of teams reaching the latter rounds of the competition, given the amount of teams qualifying?
So when viewed from this perspective, NO, the organisers of the competition DO NOT HAVE sufficient information on the make up of the FAI Junior Cup.
having done a bit of research, i have to say that the WJL teams seem to be always there or thereabouts at the quarters stage, Cork on the other hand seem to be poorly representented at the quarters stage.
2005 - Westport(Mayo) Killester(Dublin) Crystal(Waterford) Hibs(Galway) Bellurgan(Meath) Carew, Ballynanty, Park(Limerick
2006 - Killester, St John Bosco(Dublin) seem to recall Ballynanty(Limerick) beating Abbey(Sligo) in 1/4ers that year, the rest needs filling in
2007 - Killester, St John Bosco(Dublin) Wembley(Limerick) Carrick, Villa(Waterford) Salthill, West(Galway) Grattan(Cork)
2008 - Killester, Corduff(Dublin) St Michaels, Clonmel T(Tipp) Redcastle(Donegal) Manor Rangers(Leitrim) Carrick(Waterford) Castlebar(Mayo)
2009 - Ballymun, Sherriff(Dublin) Bohs(Waterford) Lisselton(Kerry) Erris(Mayo)Clonmel T(Tipp) Fairview(Limerick) St. Peters(Com. Co.)
2010 - Willow(Com. Co.) Shangan(Dublin) St. Micheals, Clonmel T(Tipp) Pike, Fairview, Regional, Killmallock(Limerick)
2006 (6)quarter finalists need to be completed. of the 42 teams listed they break down as follows:
Dublin 10
Limerick 9
Waterford 5
Tipp 5
Galway 3
Mayo 3
Combined counties 2
Kerry 1
Donegal 1
Sligo/Leitrim 1
Cork 1
Meath 1
Are Cork sides over represented in the 'open' draw???
'I can live with disappointment, its the hope I cant handle'
Well done Shanks, good work.
When you look at this and take into cosideration that WJL has only two teams qualifying from that league, it makes their achievements all the more commendable.
This is something that needs to be be studied by the FAI if they are serious about getting the better sides involved in the competition. Before there is a barrage of criticism, we are not talking about wholesale changes. My suggestion is that representation is looked at on an equal basis.
It does'nt make sense that its harder to get out of your area than it is in the rounds immediately following, if you are lucky with the draw.
Again, well done.
Last edited by Mission Bell; 28/10/2010 at 11:56 AM.
it has to be looked really why not pitched wjl with wwec like in the munster junior and 3 maybe 4 teams through have the tsdl and ntdl together and leave 3/4 teams to the other town faze
good spot everyone has the same amount of rounds to come through to get out of the area
Have got 2006 quarter finalists: Killester, Portmarnock(Dublin) Pike, Aisling(Limerick), Clonmel T(Tipp) Crystal(WJL) Athenry(Galway) Castlebar(Mayo)
'I can live with disappointment, its the hope I cant handle'
Lads,
Just to add this on the relative strengths and representaion of each league based over the quarter finalist in the 2006 - 2010 period.
Donegal/Inishowen/Cavan/Monaghan - 5 sides into open draw x 6 years = 30 teams through, 1 quarterfinalist
Galway - 3 = 18 , 4 1/4ers
Mayo - 4 = 24 , 4
Sligo/Leitrim/Roscommon - 3 = 18 , 1
Limerick - 5 = 30 , 11
Tipp Nth/Sth/West Wat/East Cork - 5 = 30 , 6
Kilkenny/Carlow/Wexford - 4 = 24 , 0
Dublin Sat/Sun/Kildare/Wicklow
Meath/Combined Counties - 21 = 126 , 13
Cork - 8 = 48 , 1
Waterford - 2 = 12 , 6
Kerry/Clare/Lim des - 3 = 18 , 1
'I can live with disappointment, its the hope I cant handle'
And to rank each division/region that puts teams through to the 'open' draw based on their teams making the quarters(latter stages):
1. Waterford 6/12 50%
2. Limerick 11/30 36.6%
3. Galway 4/24 22.2%
4. Tipp N/S, WW, EC 6/30 20%
5. Mayo 4/24 16.6%
6. Dub/Kildare/Wiclow
Meath/Combine Co's 13/126 10.3%
7. Sligo/Leitrim/Ros 1/18 5.5%
7. Kerry/Clare/Lim Des 1/18 5.5%
9. Donegal/Inishowen
Cavan/Monaghan 1/30 3.3%
10. Cork 1/48 2%
11. Kilkenny/Carlow/Wex 0/28 0%
I've had to merge Dublin saturday and sunday as I could tell which were which.
Still interesting enough stats, although they probably dont prove much. I'd still have Limerick as the top Junior football division. But it does show that the WJL is seriously under represented in the 5th round draw in comparioson to the Cork areas. The WJL should be looking to merge with Kilkenny/Carlow/Wexford to give them a better chance of more teams entering the 5th round.
any thoughts??
'I can live with disappointment, its the hope I cant handle'
The figures speak for themselves. I'd have to disagree with you that they dont prove much though. I believe they are irrefutable proof that the FAI Junior Cup qualifiers need to be revised.
WJL is seriously under represented, not only in comparison to Cork but to all other leagues. There is no argument. Whether this is down to inaction on behalf of WJL or some other obscure factor, I dont know.
By the way Longshanks, on what do you base your reasoning for the top Junior football division?
Last edited by Mission Bell; 28/10/2010 at 2:43 PM.
Well if the stats I put up today are anything to go by, (and as I've said they dont prove too much, although you disagree) you'll see that Limerick have had 9 different clubs making it to the last 8 over the last 6 cups(Fairview and Pike have been both in last 8 twice) it goes to show that there appears to be serious strength in depth in the Junior soccer scene in Limerick, it also seems to be well ran, resourced, financed, have good facilities and well publicised and supported league. I'm not saying that isnt the case in Waterford. As i said in an earlier post, there appears to be some really strong teams in Waterford.
But I'd imagine it'd be toss up between the Limerick Premier and the AUL A that would be the toughest league to win, not trying to be disrespectful to WJL or any other league, just my opinion
'I can live with disappointment, its the hope I cant handle'
Posting Permissions
Bookmarks