Shamrock Rovers fans held after rampage in rivals' pub

**PartySaint** · 16/08/2010, 5:37 PM

Originally Posted by Ciaran W

i watched them for the rest of the game and neither of them looked at the game once they just stood there stoned out of their faces.

So that made 3 of yous not watching the game

**hoopy** · 16/08/2010, 5:48 PM

Originally Posted by marinobohs

this incident has nothing to do with football/LOI fans here or anywhere else. I would expect shams will ban anyone convicted but what the hell else can any club do about a few scumbags acting the ******** miles from the club and hours after the match ?

Find this post interesting, considering your post on your own forum.

http://www.thebohs.com/forum/viewtop...=280694#280694

**Ciaran W** · 16/08/2010, 6:09 PM

You got me there

but obviously i wasnt watchin them the whole time but you know what i mean

**WoodquayBoy** · 16/08/2010, 6:42 PM

Originally Posted by SkStu

Having said that, even though these guys were obviously morons, i dont know why it was necessary to identify that these were "Shamrock Rovers fans". Its just another public order offence that probably wouldnt have been put in the papers if there wasnt a LOI twist to it. Its pretty disappointing but to be expected at this stage.

It's the Turbine, what do you expect? Though the fact they are redesigning the paper AGAIN suggests it may be on its last legs, so we won;t have to put up with it from them for much longer

**mypost** · 16/08/2010, 7:58 PM

Eight Shamrock Rovers fans were arrested last Sunday after causing extensive damage to a Dublin pub following a fixture against rival club Bohemians.

After the match, which took place in Tallaght Stadium, Rovers' home ground, about 20 fans travelled by bus from Tallaght to the Phibsborough House pub on the northside of the city

There is no direct bus from Tallaght to over there.

Not doubting there were arrests, but there's no proof nor quotes in the article stating it was our fans either.

**SkStu** · 16/08/2010, 8:08 PM

the article doesnt claim there was a direct bus at all.

what constitutes proof then?

**Shedendinvisibl** · 16/08/2010, 8:41 PM

Assuming this story is indeed true, a "minority" of at least 30 fans left Tallaght and went about traveling 17 kilometers across the city to cause a fight in what is a quiet local pub. Regardless of the status, relationship or otherwise that these people's links to SRFC are, there is no way that the SRFC club or board can not be in control of 30 fans like this. However, it's utterly unlikely that said same bunch would go to this much effort to cause havoc without any SRFC club officials or fans being aware of who they are and any inaction by them is unacceptable.

**mypost** · 16/08/2010, 8:51 PM

There's nothing our club can do to stop free people smashing up pubs, but seriously nobody is going to travel an hour and a half by bus from one end of Dublin to the other, via two buses, just to smash up a pub, never mind 20 such people. If it was our fans involved, we'd have found out inside 24 hours.

The story is a week late and so off the wall, to be taken seriously.

**Lim till i die** · 16/08/2010, 8:52 PM

It's believable.

It's those propah nawty football factories mongs innit.

**PartySaint** · 16/08/2010, 8:53 PM

Originally Posted by mypost

Nobody is going to travel an hour and a half by bus from one end of Dublin to the other, via two buses, just to smash up a pub. Never mind 20 such people. The story is a week late and so off the wall, to be believable.

A taxi man told me about this last Wednesday, To be honest i took no notice when he was saying it

**Sean South** · 16/08/2010, 9:14 PM

Originally Posted by Shedendinvisibl

Assuming this story is indeed true, a "minority" of at least 30 fans left Tallaght and went about traveling 17 kilometers across the city to cause a fight in what is a quiet local pub. Regardless of the status, relationship or otherwise that these people's links to SRFC are, there is no way that the SRFC club or board can not be in control of 30 fans like this. However, it's utterly unlikely that said same bunch would go to this much effort to cause havoc without any SRFC club officials or fans being aware of who they are and any inaction by them is unacceptable.

It might be a surprise to you but not all Shams supporters live in Tallaght!!! And if you're looking for a dance after/before football with all Guardians of the peace around the ground it wouldn't be uncommon for incidents like this to happen in a place some what similar to the location in the article.

It's a nothing story really, if it was 8 GAA fans arrested it wouldn't be printed.

**bullit** · 16/08/2010, 9:33 PM

Originally Posted by Sean South

It might be a surprise to you but not all Shams supporters live in Tallaght!!! And if you're looking for a dance after/before football with all Guardians of the peace around the ground it wouldn't be uncommon for incidents like this to happen in a place some what similar to the location in the article.

It's a nothing story really, if it was 8 GAA fans arrested it wouldn't be printed.

100%.
Happens more often than the Gaaliban or the media would ever admit,right down to parish club level.

**peadar1987** · 17/08/2010, 1:27 AM

And incidentally, a few thrown glasses, and a broken window or two, all contained within the one public house?

WORST

RAMPAGE

EVER!

**de bowez** · 17/08/2010, 7:31 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

There's nothing our club can do to stop free people smashing up pubs, but seriously nobody is going to travel an hour and a half by bus from one end of Dublin to the other, via two buses, just to smash up a pub, never mind 20 such people. If it was our fans involved, we'd have found out inside 24 hours.

The story is a week late and so off the wall, to be taken seriously.

When Bohs fans smashed up a pub we were quick to condemn it, paid for the damages and barred those responsible. I read a couple of posts around the internet since the match saying that there was an article coming - see the press thread on the ultras forum.

**BohsPartisan** · 17/08/2010, 7:51 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

There's nothing our club can do to stop free people smashing up pubs, but seriously nobody is going to travel an hour and a half by bus from one end of Dublin to the other, via two buses, just to smash up a pub, never mind 20 such people. If it was our fans involved, we'd have found out inside 24 hours.

The story is a week late and so off the wall, to be taken seriously.

Jesus mypost, do you think every negative story about rovers is a lie? Who else do you think is going to go into a well known Bohs pub and smash it up on the evening of derby day? Pats fans trying to give rovers a bad name? Coked up journalists? Bohs players out to kick the fans in the teeth yet again?
They were Rovers casuals. End of. They travelled all the way accross town almost five hours after the game ended to smash up a pub they knew was Bohs. Several of them were caught on CCTV and there were witnesses.

**Shedendinvisibl** · 17/08/2010, 9:00 AM

Originally Posted by Sean South

It might be a surprise to you but not all Shams supporters live in Tallaght!!! And if you're looking for a dance after/before football with all Guardians of the peace around the ground it wouldn't be uncommon for incidents like this to happen in a place some what similar to the location in the article.

It's a nothing story really, if it was 8 GAA fans arrested it wouldn't be printed.

It might be a surprise to you too but SRFC fans do travel to and from Tallaght on match days; where they live has nothing to do with this at all. The mere fact, however, that such a large group went to such effort to pull off this stunt in the afternoon not long after a derby match in Tallaght sure tells you a lot but if you wish to consider 30, yes, 30 people going across town to thrash a pub a non incident then shame on you.

**HulaHoop** · 17/08/2010, 9:10 AM

Strange article, surprised the first mention of the incident was in a Sunday newspaper a full week after the event. I would have expected if "rovers scum" had smashed up a pub full of bohs fans it would have been on gypoweb that night or the next morning but not a word about it. How does the reporter know they travelled by bus? How does the reporter know they were Rovers fans? No quotes in the article at all. It's a story that wouldn't have got past the editor unless the words Shamrock Rovers were attached.

It seems all 8 were teenagers 5 of which were underage in the pub. This sounds like a few bebo schooligans arranged "a meet" with their counterparts in phibsboro. I bet if you had a look at their bebo/facebook pages you'd see them threatening each other all week prior to the game. Fuc*ing eejits. I'd expect the club to ban them if/when they are convicted but theres shag all we can do to stop public order offences happening on the other side of the city 5 hours after a match.

**HulaHoop** · 17/08/2010, 9:26 AM

Originally Posted by Shedendinvisibl

It might be a surprise to you too but SRFC fans do travel to and from Tallaght on match days; where they live has nothing to do with this at all. The mere fact, however, that such a large group went to such effort to pull off this stunt in the afternoon not long after a derby match in Tallaght sure tells you a lot but if you wish to consider 30, yes, 30 people going across town to thrash a pub a non incident then shame on you.

The article says 20 which is a nice round number but then again the article says a lot of things that can't be established as fact like how they got there for starters. The Garda spokesman says there were 3 arrests and 5 questioned which makes that 8 to me. But lets say it was 20, there was a crowd of over 5200 at the match. 20 out of 5200 = 0.4% of the overall crowd which cannot be considered "such a large group" as you allege. We can't even be sure these gobsh1tes were at the match never mind do anything to stop them having a fight in a bar hours after a match had taken place.

**Macy** · 17/08/2010, 9:33 AM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Why can no one ever accept responsibilty? other than say what others have done. the old phrase get your own house in order etc springs to mind.

There has to be less blame culture and more responsibility and acceptance. One family, which is what I often hear on these threads about the LOI community.

What can any club do about an incident on the other side of a city, hours after a match? What are you looking for "anyone" to take responsibility for? Responsibility for policing is with the Gardai. Do we have legislation for banning orders, which is what clubs actually need to ban people (effectively) for football related trouble? Has Ahern moved to bring any in since the last incident that the media went to town on?

Also, who the fook has ever used "one family"? Maybe some marketing knob in the FAI (I'm not sure even they are that naff), but I've never heard a fan use it.

As ever, the Irish media highlight this issue with regard to the LoI, and no doubt it will be used as a stick to beat the league with. How many incidents happened in the UK after matches over the weekend, never mind a season. Does that stop pages of coverage of the actual matches, supplements etc? Does it even get a bloody mention?