Jon Walters

[Charlie Darwin]

Scotland signed Steven Fletcher for £14m pounds, Charlie.

I don't even know where to start with this.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Yes, it's a typo Charlie. Working a 9 hour shift and then having to babysit will do that to a person.

A £14m player is keeping an £11m player on the bench for Scotland.

I don't think Keane or Walters Galaxy & Stoke transfer fees exceeded £10m.

There's the rub.

But I made a typo and that invalidates my opinion.

[Charlie Darwin]

Fletcher was £12 million, roughly the same as Long and McCormack. As Stutts said, transfer fees are a poor measure of worth to an international team, and the fact Southampton spent £12 million on Long is only indicative of how they rate him to perform a particular role in the team, one that McGeady performs more than well for us.

[DannyInvincible]

Transfer fees are an inferior measure of ability per se. Salary expenditure is a much better predictor of success (and, thus, a more reliable indicator of ability).

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

If Keane (and Keogh) prove me wrong on Friday I will eat humble pie but if they don't, I am going to be vociferous about it.

[tetsujin1979]

I think my viewpoint is that Keane is still a handful at club level, albeit MLS and can't be seen as not being on form. So I think we have three forwards on form, four really counting Murphy. I think transfer valuation is a bit of an inaxact science and not what I would base my selection for Friday on. So I'd say there were two bits of flawed logic in your post, or two bits of highly selective reasoning.

I can't recall any game where Walters and Long started together other than Bosnia at home. Long scored and they played well together. It could be that they should start and Keane is seen as the variation we can spring from the bench.

does Austria at home count? Long was up front with Sammon, Walters on the wing.

[Stuttgart88]

No, statto, that doesn't count. Give yourself a twenty minute suspension for that question.

[tricky_colour]

Underestimate Tricky at your peril.

Very true, there are some who laughed and said Roy Keane would never make it in football.
Look at him now, assistant manager at Villa, they are not laughing anymore.

[Stuttgart88]

I love the old Bob Monkhouse line: people laughed when I said I was going to be a comedian. They're not laughing now!

[DannyInvincible]

Or Groucho Marx's one:

"From the moment I picked up your book until I laid it down, I was convulsed with laughter. Some day I intend reading it."

[paul_oshea]

Product placement and product pricing, supply and demand, are we really arguing that here now?

Even if you take that into consideration you could also argue against depreciation and why some products depreciate more/faster/greatly.

There are always some over-inflated prices, but as a whole it is more than an indicitive indicator.

[Stuttgart88]

Huh??

[Stuttgart88]

If Keane (and Keogh) prove me wrong on Friday I will eat humble pie but if they don't, I am going to be vociferous about it.

What's the threshold of proof?

What if they both play ok? Are we then to assume that another selection would have been better? There's no counterfactual unfortunately. If both have stinkers you'll have a point, but then again, as DeLorean pointed out you don't have a monopoly on your concerns.

[paul_oshea]

He has a monopoly on being right though, and he is, most often.

Stutts I am not going to bother explaining that one, posts are often picked on for flawed logic, but more often than not on here the exception is taken as the rule and applied to the post as the norm. Like any product, most often you pay for what you get.

[Stuttgart88]

I'm guessing you're talking about Long's transfer value? Still not sure because it is such a strange post.

As for TOWK having a monopoly on being right, I seriously suggest you go back and read the many concurring and well presented arguments made by many others, others who don't engage in sophistry or evasion or selective amnesia. I take exception to that comment.

[tricky_colour]

I love the old Bob Monkhouse line: people laughed when I said I was going to be a comedian. They're not laughing now!

Ah yes thanks for the reminder, I had forgotten where I stole it from.

Incidentally Bob's joke book did go missing once, however who ever stole it returned it, obviously unimpressed.

A police spokesman said the theft was none the less no laughing matter.

[SwanVsDalton]

Scores Stoke's third against a very sorry Arsenal.

[tetsujin1979]

it's his 100th career club goal, according to Stoke City's twitter

[tricky_colour]

arsenal got 2 back and not over yet

[peadar1987]

Yes it is. Come on Stoke!!!