Bohs in financial trouble

**SwanVsDalton** · 15/02/2011, 6:15 PM

Originally Posted by de bowez

If its sustainable, happy days. If they come back after an early European exit begging bowl in hand I'd happily join a lynch mob.

Originally Posted by SkStu

the fundraising/loan scheme was to pay off the players and to pay towards a significant chunk of the squad costs for this year. We knew what we were doing it for. The one thing i do agree with CSFShels is that if this does all go pear shaped again, there is no more money there for the Board. I will not give another iota to the club if this happens again. twice bitten and all that...

Fair enough so, but have seen Derry go down that round enough times and I've a feeling you guys might want to keep the pitchforks handy...

Originally Posted by Spudulika

It may have been a step too far for humanity, and my apologies for not including the mega money the Candystripes are ploughing into players and staff, made worse by currency exchange rates, of course!

Glad we're flying under the radar for once...! Probably jinxed it now though...

**Jicked** · 15/02/2011, 6:16 PM

Originally Posted by SkStu

thanks. I just wanted to show that the high earners are not earning as much or nearly as much as they did previously.

No doubt about it, but even at those reduced rates we outbid our rivals Dundalk, Pats, Sligo for Oman (for arguments sake, I've no idea if those teams were interested in that particular player, but it is fair to say we're going up against those clubs for the top players). On one hand we hear that Bohs aim is to consolidate, stay up, don't care about the competitiveness of the team etc which would make Bray/UCD/Mons/Drogs your rivals, but these signings significantly outbid what those clubs are spending, so if that's the aim you are spending over the odds of what is needed to put together a squad at that level.

On a bit of a side issue, what's Fenlon on for the year, when's his deal up and did he take one of the paycuts the players took that time?

**Charlie Darwin** · 15/02/2011, 6:22 PM

Originally Posted by Spudulika

From what I saw Bohs have some half decent under-20 and A team players, so they will be good squad players with a couple well able to step up. It's very interesting to see that everyone seems to know what everyone is earning, especially when it comes to cheapshotting other clubs. Bohs could realistically budget for 1-1.3million as they have the earning capacity to do so. Rovers, apparently, are budgeting for closer to 2million, while Sligo Rovers somewhere in between. As it stands it's a 2 horse race again, unless Dundalk, Pats and Monaghan can put up a good show (tongue removed from cheek after last sentences).

From what I remember of the Bohs accounts that leaked a few months back, Bohs' total current account earnings for '09 were around the 1.3 million mark. Assuming that crowds will be down from the heights of the title-winning seasons and commercial revenue will definitely be down, there's no way they'll be able to budget anything close to that.

**horton** · 15/02/2011, 6:23 PM

Can I throw my 2 cents in here? To be honest, I'm a Derry fan and I'm fed up reading the attacks on Bohs. I assume most people on here are just your run of the mill fans, not privy to the "commercially sensitive" information about the wages of people at a club. Sporting Fingal has hit the wall, Galway may just aswell have it seems. That is two less top employers for a footballer in Ireland. Therefore it is a clubs market. Players have to be alot more flexible just to ensure they get signed. For all we know, Bohs have managed to get these players on seriously reduced wages. If it all goes up the left in a few months time, you can all shout I told ya so at SkStu and every other Bohs fan on here. If the club hasn't learnt it's lesson by now that it can't risk massive budgets, I'm sure most of their fans won't open their wallets to bail them a second time and they can go to the wall.

**SkStu** · 15/02/2011, 6:26 PM

Jicked,

the thing is we are always going to spend more than those clubs. Always. Our aim is to stay up and consolidate. Nothing we have done suggests otherwise. Especially that you acknowledge that we likely are paying a lot less for Burns, Price and Bayly than they previously were paid.

AFAIK Fenlon has taken one pay cut since he joined Bohs. Im not sure of exact figures so i wont post here but i have speculated on the Bohs mb.

**legendz** · 15/02/2011, 10:54 PM

Where are Boh's likely to finish this season? With the bottom club set to face a relegation play-off at the end of the season, Boh's should be capable of finishing 8th or 9th, safe enough from relegation?

**Dodge** · 15/02/2011, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by legendz

Where are Boh's likely to finish this season? With the bottom club set to face a relegation play-off at the end of the season, Boh's should be capable of finishing 8th or 9th, safe enough from relegation?

I said it earlier, I'll be astonished if they don't finish in top 5

**Schumi** · 16/02/2011, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by legendz

Where are Boh's likely to finish this season? With the bottom club set to face a relegation play-off at the end of the season, Boh's should be capable of finishing 8th or 9th, safe enough from relegation?

They'll be miles ahead of us, Monaghan and Drogheda and should be ahead of Bray too so 6th at a minimum.

**Spudulika** · 16/02/2011, 7:50 AM

Bohs will be pushing for Europe, top 5. It's almost certainly a 2 horse race between Sligo and Rovers, now I'm beginning to wonder if they haven't devised a diabolical east-west cartel with the FAI to have them both breakaway and join the Sky Premier League North (Scotland) to replace Rangers and Celtic when they go to Sky Premier League South next year.

**pineapple stu** · 16/02/2011, 8:54 AM

Originally Posted by SkStu

Jicked,

the thing is we are always going to spend more than those clubs. Always.

I know it's not you making the decisions, but I think comments like this show that you don't really appreciate the situation. When Shels were Shelegated, their budget to start the first was tiny - easily smaller than ours, I'd say. It's grown since then, but they didn't go off signing league winners after going broke. (In fact, they loaned a load of players off us). Bohs have to go the same way, and if it means swallowing your pride and being smaller than poor ickle Bray/UCD/Monaghan for a year or two to ensure that this isn't your last season in senior football, then so be it.

**Louth4sam** · 16/02/2011, 9:40 AM

Originally Posted by SkStu

we likely are paying a lot less for Burns,

Burns turned down a contract offer at Dundalk as did price so seriously doubt you are paying a lot less than we offered them

**FatandLazy** · 16/02/2011, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Louth4sam

Burns turned down a contract offer at Dundalk as did price so seriously doubt you are paying a lot less than we offered them

And Bolger turned down a contract offer from Bohs after Fingal went bust, yet Dundalk were able to sign him so I guess it's swings and roundabouts and might come down to who a player wants to play for and why?

Lots of players have turned down offers from Bohs and have taken employment elsewhere.

**Ezeikial** · 16/02/2011, 12:28 PM

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...n-2542219.html

BOHEMIANS will operate on a budget of approximately �250,000 this season -- 15pc of what they were spending three years ago......

Relax everyone, no need for the big fuss after all. Bohs are operating on a prudent budget of �250k!

Pat Fenlon should immediately be head hunted for the Dept of Finance if he can assemble this squad along with "two or three more players" on that budget

If you assume that he ends up with a small squad of 16 and that the four already under contract are only costing in the region of �3,000 per week over 52 weeks, that leaves an average of �210 per week over 37 weeks for each of the remaining 12 players

New Contracts

Liam Burns
Aidan Price
Ger O�Brien
Chris Fagan
Anto Flood
Robert Bayly .
Daniel Joyce
Gary Burke
Mark Rossiter

Previously under contract

Chris O�Connor
Brian Murphy
Owen Heary
Glenn Cronin

**SkStu** · 16/02/2011, 1:02 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

I know it's not you making the decisions, but I think comments like this show that you don't really appreciate the situation. When Shels were Shelegated, their budget to start the first was tiny - easily smaller than ours, I'd say. It's grown since then, but they didn't go off signing league winners after going broke. (In fact, they loaned a load of players off us). Bohs have to go the same way, and if it means swallowing your pride and being smaller than poor ickle Bray/UCD/Monaghan for a year or two to ensure that this isn't your last season in senior football, then so be it.

fair enough. I didnt mean it as a dig. I do appreciate the situation, of course i do, but I think you are guilty of ignoring all the other factors i mentioned or else just not giving them any credence and to be honest, thats fine, that your prerogative and you may well be proven right. As an aside, i believe we could have not signed Burns and Flood but the others i have no problem with and again it all depends on how much they are being paid which thankfully, Ezeikial has clarified.

**White Horse** · 16/02/2011, 1:33 PM

Originally Posted by FatandLazy

And Bolger turned down a contract offer from Bohs after Fingal went bust, yet Dundalk were able to sign him so I guess it's swings and roundabouts and might come down to who a player wants to play for and why?

The lad said that he just wanted stability after the Fingal debacle. Dundalk may not be paying the biggest wages around, but the club is currently financially stable.

**marinobohs** · 16/02/2011, 1:36 PM

Originally Posted by White Horse

The lad said that he just wanted stability after the Fingal debacle. Dundalk may not be paying the biggest wages around, but the club is currently financially stable.

...thus proving the point that players decisions are not always 100% about money (except of course when its Bohs and our honey dripped promises

)

**White Horse** · 16/02/2011, 1:41 PM

Originally Posted by marinobohs

...thus proving the point that players decisions are not always 100% about money (except of course when its Bohs and our honey dripped promises

)

True.

Danger-loving, thrill-seeking, adreneline junkies may opt for the financial and emotional rollercoaster in Dalymount Park rather than play elsewhere for better money.

It's entirely possible.

**marinobohs** · 16/02/2011, 1:55 PM

Originally Posted by White Horse

True.

Danger-loving, thrill-seeking, adreneline junkies may opt for the financial and emotional rollercoaster in Dalymount Park rather than play elsewhere for better money.

It's entirely possible.

... or about as likely as player opts to sign for former big club with a record for illegaly sacking players/coaches (oh, sorry they reached a settlement

) and cutting salaries in mid season ?

despite bigger salary offer.

Persoanlly I think any player depending on LOI for steady income shows masochistic tendencies.

As people on here are questioning our budget does anyone have any real evidence or is this just the usual trawling ? if anyone has any REAL information contridicting what was stated at yesterdays press conference then post it

**hoopy** · 16/02/2011, 2:06 PM

Originally Posted by Ezeikial

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...n-2542219.html

[B]

[*][B]Ger O’Brien

If anyone thinks he's not on at least treble that breakdown figure they're insane. No matter what Bohs fans post on here we all know they're expecting to be up in the top half of the table, not avoiding relegation. Should be an interesting season.

**marinobohs** · 16/02/2011, 2:28 PM

Originally Posted by hoopy

If anyone thinks he's not on at least treble that breakdown figure they're insane. No matter what Bohs fans post on here we all know they're expecting to be up in the top half of the table, not avoiding relegation. Should be an interesting season.

...new season but nice to see hoops still (claim to) know more about Bohs than we do ourselves