Bohs in financial trouble

**WoodquayBoy** · 13/01/2011, 2:55 PM

Originally Posted by btid1

the implications of an attempt by 2 individuals (and only 2) to wipe this all out!

You mean 3 individuals, as McGuinness is, from what I can see, encouraging them to take this action.
There is fault on both sides, the 2 players for taking such legal yet drastic action over unpaid wages, and the club for allowing the situation arise where such a relatively small amnount of money threatens its very existence.
Can see the players' point of view, they obviously feel they have exhausted every other avenue, but there are apparently 8 others who are owed money and are not going down the route the Dayler Duo are, so maybe the last resort of High Court action doesn't need to be activated yet?

**SkStu** · 13/01/2011, 3:03 PM

Originally Posted by Magicme

I despair as to how Bohs fans can feel that their club is hard done by when the players gave them plenty of opportunity to sort things..

can somebody explain to me what the bolded part here means? Ive read this quite a bit over the last couple of pages and im struggling to figure out what these opportunities are. Applying to have the club wound up is not providing the club with plent of opportunity, its actually reducing the amount of opportunity the club has.

And, looking at the facts, there are only 8 out of 10 players willing to give the club the opportunity to sort this out to both sides satisfaction. This issue is about 2 players, not all.

**pineapple stu** · 13/01/2011, 3:07 PM

The players told the club three weeks ago they'd take this action if they weren't paid by yesterday. So the club had three weeks to raise and pay what you claim is a small amount. Despite all the fundraising going on at Bohs, including receiving cash from the FAI, and despite how they can, it appears, pay Paddy Madden (cos otherwise they couldn't be looking for a fee for him), Bohs didn't pay these players.

**btid1** · 13/01/2011, 3:11 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

The players told the club three weeks ago they'd take this action if they weren't paid by yesterday. So the club had three weeks to raise and pay what you claim is a small amount. Despite all the fundraising going on at Bohs, including receiving cash from the FAI, and despite how they can, it appears, pay Paddy Madden (cos otherwise they couldn't be looking for a fee for him), Bohs didn't pay these players.

I take issue with your constant assertion that we "received cash" from the FAI.It's called prizemoney not a dig out.

No one has questioned why it only seems to be two of the ten that are unsatisfied with the clubs attempts to resolve the situation.Ever think these two might be a little trigger happy.

Not sure if you are in business Stu but if I threatended to wind up a company every time they didn't pay me for 6 weeks then I would spend a hell of a lot of time int he High Court.There are procedures for these things and these two players (and again I stresss just two) have jumped from step 1 to the final step by issuing this order.

**OneForTheFuture** · 13/01/2011, 3:12 PM

How much time should Bohs be given to settle those debts?

If I was behind on my mortgage because my employers failed to pay me I don't think I could wait 6 or 12 months for it.

**SkStu** · 13/01/2011, 3:14 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

The players told the club three weeks ago they'd take this action if they weren't paid by yesterday. So the club had three weeks to raise and pay what you claim is a small amount. Despite all the fundraising going on at Bohs, including receiving cash from the FAI, and despite how they can, it appears, pay Paddy Madden (cos otherwise they couldn't be looking for a fee for him), Bohs didn't pay these players.

Im not claiming it is a small amount. Stephen McGuinness made that claim.

Of all the fundraising going on at Bohs the amount of money received from the FAI would, i believe, only be a fraction of that. To highlight that is doing a disservice to the efforts of the fans and members and club over the last 3 months. Only you know whether that is deliberate or not.

And i still dont see how Shelley and Grey applying for the club to be wound up has given the club "plenty of opportunity" as is claimed by some. As i said previously it is actually the total opposite.

**OneForTheFuture** · 13/01/2011, 3:15 PM

They ARE just 2 blokes not trading companies!?!

**pineapple stu** · 13/01/2011, 3:16 PM

Originally Posted by btid1

I take issue with your constant assertion that we "received cash" from the FAI.It's called prizemoney not a dig out.

What does it matter what it's called? You received cash; that's what's important.

Not sure if you are in business Stu but if I threatended to wind up a company every time they didn't pay me for 6 weeks then I would spend a hell of a lot of time int he High Court.

How often have you been left six weeks without pay then?

**SkStu** · 13/01/2011, 3:16 PM

Originally Posted by OneForTheFuture

How much time sholu Bohs be given to settle those debts?

that is something that the group of players gets to decide, notwithstanding that there is a license issue at play also. For 2 players to break ranks so they could have their money before travelling to Australia is not what a Unionised environment is about.

**pineapple stu** · 13/01/2011, 3:18 PM

Originally Posted by SkStu

And i still dont see how Shelley and Grey applying for the club to be wound up has given the club "plenty of opportunity" as is claimed by some. As i said previously it is actually the total opposite.

Because you still keep ignoring the fact that the players threatened this three weeks ago. So there's three weeks' notice to pay for starters. Not to mention that signing the contract back at the start of last year should have been notice enough.

I don't see what relevance the proportion of cash raised the FAI amount has to your post. It's all cash; it all helps.

**Dodge** · 13/01/2011, 3:18 PM

Originally Posted by btid1

History and tradtition mean a lot at a club like Bohs but then again maybe a UCD "fan" might not understand the implications of an attempt by 2 individuals (and only 2) to wipe this all out!

You can’t seriously think they actually want to wipe you out? They want their money. They get that, they don’t care.

Originally Posted by btid1

No one has questioned why it only seems to be two of the ten that are unsatisfied with the clubs attempts to resolve the situation.Ever think these two might be a little trigger happy.

Not sure if you are in business Stu but if I threatended to wind up a company every time they didn't pay me for 6 weeks then I would spend a hell of a lot of time int he High Court.There are procedures for these things and these two players (and again I stresss just two) have jumped from step 1 to the final step by issuing this order.

Of course they’re trigger happy. But its pretty clear that they’ve every reason in the world not to give Bohs even more time. Step 1 – ask for payment on time step 2 – request it again a month later step 3 – ask again another month later step 4 – threaten to sue hoping to embarrass them into it. What step is missing?

Jesus lads, stop trying to make out like it’s a mad conspiracy. The players are owed money and the deserve to get paid by Bohs. Everything else is waffle

**gufct** · 13/01/2011, 3:21 PM

Bohs have been stalling the players for 3 months so its hardly the players fault.

**geezer** · 13/01/2011, 3:21 PM

there are a lot of people bleeding the game dry for supplemental income not the good of the game. They all claim to be whiter than white and they do if for the jersey, club, community or whatever such ****** its for the shillings and nothing else. No one should go without if its due but the salaries, expenses in this league for administrators, referees, players and coaches are in certain cases sheer lunacy when you look at the income.

**pineapple stu** · 13/01/2011, 3:24 PM

Originally Posted by geezer

They all claim to be whiter than white and they do if for the jersey, club, community or whatever such ******

Who claimed that?

**SkStu** · 13/01/2011, 3:31 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Because you still keep ignoring the fact that the players threatened this three weeks ago. So there's three weeks' notice to pay for starters. Not to mention that signing the contract back at the start of last year should have been notice enough..

No. You are ignoring the very simple fact that setting a deadline for payment within 3 weeks is not "giving every opportunity" as some here have claimed.

Did the Cork players apply to have Cork wound up by the way does anyone know? When they werent getting paid and yet still being expected to play? I know they threatened strike action at the time but i dont remember McGuinness encouraging them to apply for a winding up order then.

**pineapple stu** · 13/01/2011, 3:33 PM

Did you read Dodge's post as well? Bohs are in absolutely no position whatsoever to be complaining.

**btid1** · 13/01/2011, 3:34 PM

Originally Posted by gufct

Bohs have been stalling the players for 3 months so its hardly the players fault.

They are due 6 weeks pay not 3 months.

**btid1** · 13/01/2011, 3:36 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

How often have you been left six weeks without pay then?

Quite often actually.It's called being self employed.If you get paid for a job within 6 weeks its a surprise.

Footballers are effectively self employed with all the benefits of a PAYE worker.

anyway this way off the original point I wanted to make.I agree the players deserve to be paid.We made the contracts with them we should honour them.My issue is that these guys are pulling the trigger on a business without giving it the requisite time to meet it obligations.Don't try to tell me 6 weeks is a sufficient time period to give them because anyone who knows anything about business knows its not.

My final point is this.If these two are so right to be doing as they are doing, why then isnt this the stance of all ten.Why haven't they put up a united front on this?Simple answer is because the other 8 are reasonable and understand they will get paid but it will just take a little longer than previously hoped.

**eelmonster** · 13/01/2011, 3:39 PM

Originally Posted by btid1

They are due 6 weeks pay not 3 months.

When was the last time they were paid? Bohs are completely in the wrong here, they haven't a leg to stand on, you've got to pay your players, coaches and barmen chaps.