Bohs in financial trouble

**Dodge** · 15/11/2011, 9:29 AM

Originally Posted by derm

You're right about the viability but I doubt if it'd be illegal as long as it was on Saorview and not pay-per-view. Although it might be forced to bid for the rights to show games with RTE and TV3 which would be a farce as it would always "win".

Sorry, I, of course, meant it'd be illegal to have the games on a pay channel (as the poster mentioned MUTV etc)

its completely ridiculous either way

**TiocfaidhArmani** · 15/11/2011, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

2) can you give an example of any clever marketing the IRFU did?

Not so much the IRFU itself but Leinster and Munster have.

I know what you're saying about facilities but the two would go hand in hand. Increased attendances means increased revenue to improve facilities. It won't happen overnight but what do we do then?

**pineapple stu** · 15/11/2011, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani

Not so much the IRFU itself but Leinster and Munster have.

They're provinces, not examples of clever marketing...

**MagicMon** · 15/11/2011, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by marinobohs

One of the most embarrassing sights in Irish football (and God there are plenty of contenders

) was the sight of Delaney "celebrating" on the pitch after Friday nights game.

He has managed to make his "extra team " at the World Cup finals debacle look reasonable. The man is a clown

That was a new low, the people that cheer him would cheer Idi Amin if he bought them a pint. All his show and taking credit for Trap and the Irish players' performances, and yet when Staunton was getting savaged Delaney was hiding behind his three-man panel.

**Dodge** · 15/11/2011, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani

Not so much the IRFU itself but Leinster and Munster have.

So you blame the clubs then....

**Spudulika** · 15/11/2011, 1:18 PM

TAL, you have a point about marketing, the FAI gave funds for clubs to have a marketing officer, but no club really got the hang of implementing it, now it's gone. The LOI's a hard sell and Dodge is right in pointing out that clubs themselves should shoulder blame to a degree for not marketing themselves properly. But it's more than just tv, it's more than just clubs or product on the field. It's just some odd little world that hasn't changed in a long, long time. Nor does it want to change.

**Dodge** · 15/11/2011, 1:38 PM

Originally Posted by Spudulika

TAL, you have a point about marketing, the FAI gave funds for clubs to have a marketing officer, but no club really got the hang of implementing it, now it's gone.

They gave clubs some money towards a Community and Promotions Officer

Not purely marketing...

The guy that Pats had was excellent at the community stuff

**Macy** · 15/11/2011, 1:45 PM

Originally Posted by Spudulika

TAL, you have a point about marketing, the FAI gave funds for clubs to have a marketing officer, but no club really got the hang of implementing it, now it's gone.

Did they give any money for actual marketing though?

**nigel-harps1954** · 15/11/2011, 1:52 PM

Yeah all clubs had to have a CPO put in place two years ago didn't they? I know the guy who's at Harps who was CPO, now secretary, is a complete tit who did nothing for the club. Went around a few schools but thats it. Would have done a better job at it myself. Pity I was in college at the time though ;P

**Spudulika** · 15/11/2011, 2:00 PM

Nigel it's something that worked and didn't work, the CPO had a broad brief and to market a club (not just in the commercial sense but to get it into the fabric of the comunity) is commendable, and has been pointed out worked in some situations, though it's not something to just turn on and off, it's a 20 years deal withteh right people, not just jobs for boys (or girls) with connections, but for real pros who can execute it.

**nigel-harps1954** · 15/11/2011, 2:19 PM

Ah yes that was my point, just didn't explain it correctly. I was all for the CPO idea, I still am, I think there simply isn't enough structure in place to advertise the league correctly and I don't think the FAI or RT� are exactly doing what they can to promote it either. The idea of a CPO is a good one, but as you said, it needs to be done properly, by a professional. Sadly this wasn't the case with Harps as it was basically handed to whoever would take the job rather than look for someone proper to do it.

**Macy** · 15/11/2011, 2:32 PM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Ah yes that was my point, just didn't explain it correctly. I was all for the CPO idea, I still am, I think there simply isn't enough structure in place to advertise the league correctly and I don't think the FAI or RT� are exactly doing what they can to promote it either. The idea of a CPO is a good one, but as you said, it needs to be done properly, by a professional. Sadly this wasn't the case with Harps as it was basically handed to whoever would take the job rather than look for someone proper to do it.

Having a CPO is still a requirement for a premier licence.

I doubt the FAI contributed the going rate for a marketing exec (or whatever poncey name they give themselves). They also contributed no budget as far as I'm aware either. Personally, I think the community aspect is much more applicable at a club level, with marketing done at an association level where there could be a team of people. They could be sent to local areas, do media buys on local media etc.

**Dodge** · 15/11/2011, 3:15 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

Having a CPO is still a requirement for a premier licence.

I don't think it is. Once the FAI funding went, so did that requirement

I doubt the FAI contributed the going rate for a marketing exec (or whatever poncey name they give themselves). They also contributed no budget as far as I'm aware either

Think it s something like €17k towards a salary. No more

**pineapple stu** · 15/11/2011, 3:32 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

I don't think it is. Once the FAI funding went, so did that requirement

Nope, fairly sure it's still there, just without the FAI funding.

(I see no other reason we'd still have one otherwise)

**dfx-** · 15/11/2011, 3:35 PM

Originally Posted by MagicMon

That was a new low, the people that cheer him would cheer Idi Amin if he bought them a pint. All his show and taking credit for Trap and the Irish players' performances, and yet when Staunton was getting savaged Delaney was hiding behind his three-man panel.

He did personally defend that appointment in 2005/2006 at a Rovers AGM.

Anyway it was probably just pleased Dundalk fans on Friday night.

**Charlie Darwin** · 15/11/2011, 3:43 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Nope, fairly sure it's still there, just without the FAI funding.

(I see no other reason we'd still have one otherwise)

Well unlike most clubs yous probably hired somebody who was actually competent to do the job so maybe it is actually a viable position there.

**pineapple stu** · 15/11/2011, 3:45 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Well unlike most clubs yous probably hired somebody who was actually competent to do the job

Nope.

**Longfordian** · 15/11/2011, 4:03 PM

It's not needed for a Premier Licence we have a Premier Licence and no CPO as far as I'm aware. In terms of clubs hiring people not up to the job, the FAI were part of the interview process and did all their training so they have to take some of the blame.

**pineapple stu** · 15/11/2011, 4:05 PM

Depends on who's applying, I suppose. If no-one applies, all the training in the world won't change the fact that no-one's applied.

**Longfordian** · 15/11/2011, 4:12 PM

True. The main problem we had was the inordinate amount of time spent implementing initiatives thought up by the promotions side of the FAI that had absolutely no benefit to the club short or long term.