QuoteWhats your point!
SkStu, you'd know as well as anyone how it works in other countries, and here it's the same. Clubs come and go, reform and there's nothing about it. I think we all look at the LOI too closely and get too caught up in it all, but when you look at it like a business it just is how the game works - companies come and go, some stay longer, some have to be overhauled, some let go and others just muddle their way through. In sports, especially in Ireland and the UK, we see club mergers as an anathema, yet it is normal business practice and clubs do it all the time in Europe. He's working in the KHL which runs like the NHL, WHL, OHL and so on, so it's more based on a business plan and survival of the fittest. I remember when I was living in Canada and a news report on TSN about how the Argo's were going to go bust and where I lived the Senators removed their farm team because they had a better offer from another city. You know, at the end of it I simply told him, without the fans, clubs are nothing - it's something people here won't get as it's a different culture.
Dodge, in 2000 I gave up trying to figure out the LOI when I handed my own club a golden ticket only for the then incumbent to say "we've a different plan", which was to run the club into the ground. And in 2004 I was coaxed into looking at Shels, only to see the horror show unfolding and politely declined. But for some reason, which maybe you feel, the league is a drug and no matter what it's something to fight for and enjoy. Otherwise we'd have all given up long ago. So no matter if I stay or go, clubs and "fans" will still do their utmost to make it fun.
Last edited by Spudulika; 16/01/2011 at 7:05 PM.
Whats your point!
Manager: Fergal, have you your boots with ya?
Fergal: Ya, I have them here.
Manager: Ah good stuff, well give them to this man so, he forgot his!
See!? in 1999 Pats won the league. And its been downhill every since. Jinx!!!!Originally Posted by Spudulika
Seriosuly though, if you're that well connected, and that much involved with various clubs, you have to be culpable to some degree
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While wumming sounds like fun, it's more the point that it simply remains to say that business is cyclical, since football is business it falls into that character, so clubs rise anf fall, come and go and without the FAI and grassroots combining the LOI will be boom bust (minor). While Pats problems will always remain.
Shelley and Grey to hold press conference on Friday.
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
Originally scheduled for last Monday, deferred to Wednesday and now Friday. Not sure of point of press conference, especially as they sought anonimity in the first place. Not sure how two whining footballers about to move abroad outlining their tale of woe is going to help their case.
If they'd held it in the first place then maybe matters would be more straightforward, but that's probably a legal matter. Taking off the blinkers Marinobohs, I would hate to see how you'd react to going 2 months unpaid. Having felt it, it's not nice.
They're touting the fact that other players in the same situation will be there 'for support' That in itself is interesting enough
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Let's not forget it's not just this one non-payment, they also had a pay-cut forced on them to presumably prevent exactly this exact situation
Another report said they would be accompanied by Mc Guinness and their legal rep, Dodge (although it will be interesting to see who attends). No problem with them having a press conference or the fact they are entitled to seek club honours contracts but Gray has been paid for almost a full season while injured - generous sick pay terms by normal business standards. Both are seeking payment for post season period - a time when very few LOI players are ever paid and in normal employment statutory redundancy rules/entitlements would apply (players are siting normal business rules).
Dont see the purpose of the press conference or its purpose. Anyone likely to care already has their mind made up and anyone else is unlikely to bother either way (cant see an ICTU march in support of them)
Jicked, do you really see a groundswell of support out there for two football players whining about a pay cut ?
None of this is to abdicate the responsibility of Bohs in this mess and the responsibility on clubs/players to honour contracts (unless your name is Fenn of course) or the hope that it can be resolved amicably with all players i just fail to see how the proposed press conference is going to help the situation. Who knows ? I might be pleasently surprised on Friday (but not holding breath)
Pay cut? Do you work for Brian Lenihan?
You can't spell failure without FAI
alright, now that marinobohs and myself have charmed the knickers off you all over the last 44 pages, who fancies pledging their support to one of the Leagues oldest and finest clubs? I hope some of you will attend what promises to be a most excellent and entertaining night for a really good price and for a worthy cause. I also offer the posters of foot.ie the following - i will put the first FIVE posters that email me confirmation of purchase into a draw for ONE additional ticket that i will pay for out of my own pocket. (i will check if my email address is visible on my profile, if not i will repost here if thats okay).
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Brush Shiels? Seriously?
**Shudder**
#NeverStopNotGivingUp
It's been postponed til Friday because of a death in the Cretaro family and to allow other players attend.
A transient, horrible, fantastic dream,
Wherein is nothing yet all things do seem:
From which we're wakened by a friendly nudge
Of our bedfellow Death, and cry: "O fudge!"
Ambrose Bierce
The show will suddenly end shortly before the first intermission when Bohs run out of comedians, and anyone looking for a refund will be accused of greed.
You can't spell failure without FAI
sorry, Arcade Fire were booked up.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Seriously, whats that got to do with anything?
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Dodge, was in response to Jicked raising point (about previous pay cut) and that I dont see any merit in the press conference idea by the players.
I still don't really see what you're getting at to be honest, but to be fair, yeah I do imagine public opinion would back the players on this one. Not just rival LoI fans, but if you were to objectively show the facts to a bloke on a bus he probably would as well.Originally Posted by marinobohs
Jicked, do you really see a groundswell of support out there for two football players whining about a pay cut ?
Signed a big deal with Bohs (a few years ago in Shelly's case potentially turning down deals at other clubs, Gray we know turned down signing with Rovers where for arguments sake he could still be today being paid quite well).
The money they were promised in that deal didn't materialise, the club weren't able to pay the money they promised them.
Players take a pay-cut, but still rally to perform well in all domestic competitions, almost coming back from the dead in the League despite this situation being on the horizon the whole time.
They are then told that despite taking a pay cut, the deals for next year won't be honoured, leaving them unemployed.
They seek a compensatory pay-off, as is standard, and are told they will only be offered x weeks (I can't remember off the top of my head). As these negotiations are ongoing the club, who want to convince them they have money to pay them off, stop paying them there weekly wage.
This goes on for a month, players threaten the only action they can (not being able to strike or work-to-rule) and the club promises them money will be available in early-mid January. We're now approaching the tail end of January, the players haven't been paid in two months, and the club seems no closer to being able to pay the money they had promised for January.
I'm not being smart or trying to twist the knife, but objectively speaking that's a pretty damning state of affairs. I know how much a situation like this hurts having been through it with Rovers not so long ago, but suggesting the players are morally wrong is just ridiculous and getting Bohs nowhere in terms of getting out of this hole. To be honest, I always thought Bohs would come through this (which is what I wanted, a struggling Bohs team in the PD, being forced to live within their means in the future) but the way the club and fans have acted over the last few weeks leaves me highly doubtful they will now.
You see this is what bohs fans forget in their moral outrage against the two players. Two years ago shelley was offered a contract by MON but turned it down in favour of Bohs contract offer. 12 months ago Grey was offered a contract by Rovers but Bohs offered him a bit more so he took that. In both cases Rovers offered them what was sustainable but Bohs gave them more than they could afford. Now all of a sudden Bohd cant pay them the terms they outbid other clubs on yet it's all the players fault. Cop on Bohs fans vent your anger at those in charge of your club not the players you fooled into signing for you on false pretences.
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