QuoteWhats happened to the money raised so far? Thought there was over €200000 raised . Has that money been spent on something else? why couldnt all the players be paid out of that money first? Is the board still being paid a wage ?
From Dan McDonnells twitter
'It's out there now that Brian Shelley and Stephen Gray are the two players pursuing action against Bohs...'
Here on a technicality.
Whats happened to the money raised so far? Thought there was over €200000 raised . Has that money been spent on something else? why couldnt all the players be paid out of that money first? Is the board still being paid a wage ?
Hold the phone but the bit highlighted is bull. They are doing it as a last resort and they were open about it. They declared weeks ago to the club and it was put in the public domain that they were going to take court action if the matter wasnt resovled. How in the name of Jehovah is that not being open?Originally Posted by SkStu
Before you accuse me of dancing at the wake, it pains me greatly to see any club in trouble. I have said time and again that all clubs are one big fecker of a bill away from facing similar problems. Every clubs level of what would push them into this kinda scenario is different but there is no room for anyone to gloat. That said, Bohs have had an opportunity some weeks ago and even before the players started pushing for their wages, they should have seen this situation arising and prepared for it and sorted things before it got this far.
Confirmation that the court proceedings have been initiated: http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soc...287470078.html
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How are budgets for 2011 season done??
Is it based on money forecasted for the 2011 season or money received from the 2010 season?
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huh? maybe because they wouldnt allow their names to be released. That is not being open. And that is what Spudulika seemed to be referring to.
Also, it is not the last resort for 8/10 of the players who are owed so what makes these two so special? Perhaps a bit of spending money before they get paid for their new jobs in Australia ( http://www.thecourier.com.au/news/lo...r/2046042.aspx ). Oh no wait, he just released a statement saying he actually DIDNT have a new job in Australia. Shady.
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I dont blame them for not wanting their names in the public domain but the matter was open. As for the other players, maybe they have managed to secure other means of paying their bills and are not under so much pressure, or maybe they decided to let the other 2 pave the way. It was obviously a last resort for the 2 lads who chose this route coz they are unlikely to put themselves in this position, and possibly ruin their chances of playing in Ireland again, if they had no choice.
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If any bohs fans on here wasnt being paid the right wage in their employment ,they wouldnt hesitate in bringing a case to the Labour court through their union so i cant see why they should have an issue with any player going down the same route. Blame the powers that be at Bohemian Fc and not the players who havent been paid the money they are owed and have bills to pay like the rest of us.
I'll try and take off my Rovers hat here because as much as at makes me happy to see our nearest rivals suffer, I don't particularly want to see them or any other clubs go under.
First, I think fans need to realise that footballers aren't like them. They don't buy into the club in the same way. Most of them grow up supporting English sides without much of a thought for the domestic league. They don't pay for matchday tickets and any loyalty to the club is mainly due to the players and coaches they know personally rather than any affiliation with the fans/badge. To expect them to act in the club's best interests when it's their own financial security at stake is frankly ridiculous - Bohs fans might make financial sacrifices to help save the club but you can't expect the players to make the same or deeper cuts.
Second, there is a huge issue of fairness here. Can anybody say whether this matter would have reached the courts were it not for the fact Paddy Madden (and perhaps others) is still being paid his full wage? This is pure common sense from the club - they need to keep paying him to get a necessary transfer fee - but it is naked self-interest and is putting the club's interests before its contracted employees. It's completely unethical, but it's business, and it's the environment that professional footballers have to operate in. To expect them to maintain some form of loyalty to a club that has shown none to them is frankly ridiculous.
As far as being self-employed goes, I think Pineapple Stu summed it up: footballers aren't contractors, they are fixed-term employees which entitles them by law to receive a set sum of money at regular intervals like any other employed person. Speaking as a self-employed person, I know how hard it can be to get money out of people (not getting paid at all is unfortunately part of the job), but in the players' case I can fully understand them going the legal route to get their due. They've upheld their end of the contract and the club is obliged to honour it in a timely fashion. Any other business that had gone 6 weeks without paying its employees would be the subject of some sort of action, especially a business that had decided to pick and choose which employees to pay based on how valuable they were to the company.
Jaysis, of course the matter was in the open. But thats not what Spud was referring to.
Yeah, speculate away. Sure we can all blindly speculate and come to any conclusion. It would appear neither player had any intention of playing in Ireland again anyway MagicMe. Did you look at the link in my post?
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Sorry for not realising that you were refering specifically to Spuds comments.
Yes I did read that link and despite signing for 2 years and taking on the further roles in his new club, that is by no means a guarantee that he will not ever want to play in Ireland again. Ad as for me "blindly speculating" and coming "to any conclusion" are you not doing the same when you say that the other players didnt see it as a last resort. Alas, being a "discussion forum" this is the nature of the beast.
Were the players unknown to the club though? Did they just write an anonymous letter to the club demanding payment? How would the club know it was from the players and not a prank? How would they know who to pay? Or were they just to wire the money to a Cayman Islands account? I'd say the club knew who was sueing them. The fans and the media didn't, but again, that's irrelevant and doesn't mean the players weren't being open.
Stu - nice attempt but actively requesting to have your name withheld from the public domain is actively not being open.
MagicMe - i am not speculating on the other 8 players. It is fact that they have not used a winding up order to get paid.
CD - good post overall but heres one for you -Shelley didnt show up for training yesterday or today. Has he now breached his contract? Should we fine him?They've upheld their end of the contract
Does nobody else find Shelleys statement today coupled with the Australian media report seriously suspect?
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As I said, not telling the fans is utterly irrelevant. They were probably open with the club; that's all that matters.
Shelley isn't being paid; his contract is void. And how do you think you'll fine him anyway?!
Do you actually think things through, or do you exist in some kind of cloud of self-righteous indignation?
Nope. The club breached his contract by not paying him so he has no obligation to show up. A fine is just a wage deduction so it would be a frankly ridiculous threat to make given the circumstances.Shelley didnt show up for training yesterday or today. Has he now breached his contract? Should we fine him?
Shelley's Australian story is bizarre but reading back it does whack of something weird. I'm not sure how big the newspaper that reported it is but the fact they didn't seek confirmation from the club itself is very odd.
He had an option of a year's contract, he wrote to Bohs seeking to exercise that option and Bohs haven't replied. if Bohs don't request him to turn up for trraining, and don't inform him of training venues/ties etc, then he's not the one breaking any thing
Suspicious how? He has a deal lined up and doesn't want Bohs to use it as another excuse not ot pay him the money he's owed. Seems normal enough for meDoes nobody else find Shelleys statement today coupled with the Australian media report seriously suspect?
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you need to put "to me" at the end of each of those sentences.
it was just a question i threw out there. Relax.
as i said, it was just a question i was thowing around my head. Relax and stop taking everything so seriously. And, given that your comment was a bit OTT and aggro, we can consider that as your satisfactory retribution for me stating that you hadnt a shred of decency.
when you figure it out, get back to me.
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thing about bohs on newstalk shortly apparently.
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