Elliott looks excellent prospect and Willo will be amazing with some experience and when he puts some weight on but putting them in an Ireland squad is laughable. Have had a whole other arguement about EL players in the squad on another thread but premiership reserve and youth team players in full international squad is absolute silly talk and not even debatable.
If Breen is one of the worst defenders of all time because he has lapses of concentration then what are O'Brien, Doherty and Dunne. Their concentration can be described as erratic at best. How many examples can you provide of Breen being at fault for goals conceded by Ireland?
Originally Posted by Bowsy
What about John O’Shea in the game in Basle? Bit worried about O’Shea. Fergie doesn't trust him enough to play him at centre half
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The goal against Russia in the qualifiers at Lansdowne.
I'm sure I could find a few more if I got the video tapes out.
Maybe my memory has lapsed but I remember Given not covering himself in glory for that goal but don't remember Breen's part.
Dunne was withdrawn by Man City as he is having operation at end of season and does not want to aggravate injury in friendly so he is the only name really that could come in to the squad of note.
Im still laughing at Mc Shane from United and Richie Partridge funny
I think this shows that there seems to be more respect between Ferguson and Kerr than there was between mc Carthy and Ferguson, which is all good considering we are giong to have 3 players in utd squad next season. Kerr seems to have a good relationship with premiership managers which has to be good. I remember Daglish acting the ****** during the 80's so Kerrs approach is very welcome.
Alex Ferguson said last night he was unaware that Roy Keane would be requested to travel to Poland with the Republic of Ireland next week.
Seven days after completing his international u-turn, the Manchester United midfielder was named in Brian Kerr's squad for the trip to Bydgoszcz next
Wednesday.
Having originally tried to talk Keane out of an Ireland return, Ferguson believed his captain would be required only for competitive matches.
Instead, the 32-year-old is in line to win his 59th cap in next week's friendly, which comes in between two key Premiership clashes with Liverpool and Blackburn.
Ferguson, though, is comfortable with the situation and having introduced Keane for the final 15 minutes of last night's 2-0 win over Charlton at Old Trafford after his recent injuries, feels he needs game time anyway.
"I was not aware that he would be travelling to Poland," said the United boss. "I think Roy is in control of the situation and he knows exactly what is
needed.
"I am sure between himself and Brian Kerr they will make sure it is right. He
needs games anyway after the time he has missed recently
Kilbane was not excellent in our last two meaningless friendlies, he was average. Every midfielder should have lots of energy, they're professional footballers, they are extremely athletic anyways due to the conditioning provided by their clubs, don't see any difference between Kilbane and any other midfielder in the squad in terms of energy.
Roy Keane is a legend
Without Keane we had no leadership in the Euro Qualifiers. He is the natural captain of the side, like it or not. Kenny Cunningham, as nice a guy as he probably is, just doesn't have the same effect.Even I think that would be a bit much, not fair on Kenny either to
just take it off him as he and Ireland have done well in the
friendlies. Its only an armband anyway. and Keanes presence on the
pitch will be unaffected.
Sensible to have Kenny as captain, less pressure on Keano on his
return, wise decision.
Anyway Ireland often have several club captains in the squad so
it no problem.
I am not too sure but have not (recent past and present)
Keane, Cunninghan, Carr, Holland, G Kelly, Kinsella, Staunton
all been club captains (Premiership) now or recently.
There is another one too (Cardiff?) tip of my tongue? Kavanagh.
So it seems Ireland could have had a team with 5+ captains!!
Maybe 8 or more!! That must be some kind of record surely.
If you can think of anymore please add them.
Its unlikely we will be short of leadership!
Roy Keane is a legend
Even so, there is a point of principle to be observed here. Mister Kerr has made as much clear to da prodigal son in saying that he can return, but only on exactly the same terms as every other player in the squad. As it should be. Kenny Cunningham is our captain, and until Mister Kerr says otherwise, that's how it'll stay.
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I think a defence of Carr, cunningham, O Brien O Shea is solid as well as well able to go forwards. We had no leadership in Basle, but that was becuase Cunningham was missing. I think Kean will effectively be the captain on the field as that is his way but the off teh field issues will be better dealt with by cunningham as he has a more diplomatic approach to such issues. I am sure the players will feel more comfortable going to him rather than Roy. Kilbane was excellent , even Keane said he was man of the match against Brazil. I was a huge critic of Kilbanes in the past but since going to central midfield he gets up and down from box to box better than any other irish midfielder, he gets stuck in, he cant beat people etc. and can lay off a pass to either duff or Reid on either flank. this all backed up by Roy Keane in the holding role with mean we have a solid base and plenty of flair too. The one thing we are missing is a partner for Robbie Keane.
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I thought you were off the drink Ronnie?
"No, I drink to help me mind my own business....can I get you one? (c) Ronnie Drew
Of course the decision lies with Kerr, just giving my opinion. Theres no doubt tho that Keane is a far superior captain than Cunningham,even Keane's detractors can't argue against that.Even so, there is a point of principle to be observed here. Mister Kerr has made as much clear to da prodigal son in saying that he can return, but only on exactly the same terms as every other player in the squad. As it should be. Kenny Cunningham is our captain, and until Mister Kerr says otherwise, that's how it'll stay.
Roy Keane is a legend
You are talking bull****. We waited 3 years too long to put Duff in the national side and even then he was played out of position. He didn't get a run on the left wing until he was nearly 24. That is a disgrace and it can't be let happen again. Robbie Keane was thrown in as a 17 year old nobody and look what happened there.
The youngsters who we will be looking to in future (McShane, Elliot ect.) should be in the squad NOW, learning from the likes of Roy Keane and Duff. It is an absolute waste of time having has-been nobodys like Breen, Harte and Kinsella in the squad when they shouldn't be anywhere near the team.
are breen harte and kinsella the same has been nobodies who helped along with keane to get us to the world cup?
The 2nd goal at home to the Swiss springs to mind too, with the ball sailing over his head and him standing there staring at it like a helpless puppy.
If you want to know how bad Breen really is, watch the Man U - West Ham game from last season, an absolutly shocking display. If Van Nistlerooy can do that to him, I shudder to think what Henry will do if he plays against the French.
On a different note, Andy O'Brien marked Henry our of the game during Newcastles recent clash with Arsenal.
No, they are the three nobodies who without Uncle Roy couldn't get us to Euro 2004 from a miles easier group.
Carnstein, you are the one who is talking Bull**it. McShane is a youth team player. Looks like a good prospect but could well never make. Not even a regular in uniteds reserves. Yeah lets whack him in at centre half. Willo Flood is an 18 year old in a 12 year olds body. Again great prospect but has played one game for Man City against Total Network Solutions. Brilliant should terrify France! Elliott has played exactly 3 mins of Premiership football and can't get into a woeful Man City that couldn't hit a cow's ar*e with a banjo. Are you seriously thinking we should be calling up kids who haven't played any first team football. Duff and Keane were both regulars at club level when they were called up. I've seen such unmitigated b*ll*cks as that post in all my life.
Now you see I never said they should go straight into the team. The team is a different matter all together. However, in a squad of 22 players there is absolutly no point whatsoever in having the likes of Kinsella, Harte, Breen etc. They are certainly not going to terrify France. I made the point that we are wasting our time having these guys in the squad, someone asked me who should be in there instead of them so I suggested that we throw some of the young lads in. Im not suggesting that Willo Flood play on the right wing against France, he would be murdered.
And for the record, McShane IS a regular in the Manchester United Reserves, in fact he has captained them on a number of occasions and while he may be young I would bet my life he is a better player than Breen.
Fair enough. i don't want Harte or Kinsella anywhere near an irish squad but these are young unproven players. Haven't we had enough "new Liam Bradys" at this stage to have learned. At this stage these lads are potential and nothing more. Look at Ireland and other other nations under 21 squads over the last decade and see how many players made it compared to the amount that end up on the football scrapheap. Until these young lads' club managers judge them good enough to get into their match day squads (which none of them have on a regular basis), they shouldn't be considered for national team selection. No way does a season in United reserves make Paul McShane more able for International football than Gary Breen.
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