Euro 2012 Qualifying Group B - General Discussion

**geysir** · 05/10/2010, 6:26 PM

Considering Slovakia beat Russia away, I think we will have to break the mould of stalemates (chronic draw syndrome) and get 4 points from the next 2 games. A draw against Russia and beat Slovakia, would do grand. Then Russia would have a bit of hope to cling to and Slovakia won't miss the 3 points so much after their bonus in Moscow.

**elroy** · 05/10/2010, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Wolfie

Its only right and proper we do enough to qualify ourselves - that said, Armenia on Friday and Macedonia on Tuesday could do us a huge favour on each night!!!!

I think the Armenia V Slovakia is the most interesting one. As in, we have played there and won. So any slip up by Slovakia would be advantage us on a head to head. Particularly as Slovakia are likely to have the advantage over us in relation to the Russia away fixture.

Originally Posted by geysir

Considering Slovakia beat Russia away, I think we will have to break the mould of stalemates (chronic draw syndrome) and get 4 points from the next 2 games. A draw against Russia and beat Slovakia, would do grand. Then Russia would have a bit of hope to cling to and Slovakia won't miss the 3 points so much after their bonus in Moscow.

Agreed, I think we need to be aiming to win this one on Friday night.

**paul_oshea** · 06/10/2010, 10:53 AM

How can you say agreed, and then contradict what geysir says, by saying we need to win on friday night? he clearly said a draw against russia is what he is hoping for.

**geysir** · 06/10/2010, 11:02 AM

I did not say that you Ros piece of ******

I said one draw and one win would do fine - but we need a win - 2 draws are not good enough to top the group.
If 4 points is destined then I have a preference as to who to take the 3 points off.

My (unexpressed) hope is for 2 wins.

Also people can disagree with me and yet at the same time think they agree with me - I�m okay with that.

**tetsujin1979** · 06/10/2010, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by geysir

I did not say that you Ros piece of ******

What swear word is 6 characters long and completes the expression "piece of..." ?

**paul_oshea** · 06/10/2010, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by geysir

I did not say that you Ros piece of ******

I said one draw and one win would do fine - but we need a win - 2 draws are not good enough to top the group.
If 4 points is destined then I have a preference as to who to take the 3 points off.

My (unexpressed) hope is for 2 wins.

Also people can disagree with me and yet at the same time think they agree with me - I�m okay with that.

In your post i see no mention of a win against russia, this is all I see: "draw against Russia and beat Slovakia, would do grand. "

tets i was wondering the same. I dont think there was an actual one, just an inference in a bantery/slagging kind of way.

**Brendan 82** · 06/10/2010, 1:32 PM

I think a win against Russia and a draw away to Slovakia would be a better way for to get four points. The win against Russia would really set them back and hopefully send them into enough turmoil so that they end up dropping further points in the group. In that case they would effectively be gone and we could battle it out with Slovakia for the first spot. A draw away to them in that case would be a good result (especially if Armenia can do us a favor)

**geysir** · 06/10/2010, 1:57 PM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

What swear word is 6 characters long and completes the expression "piece of..." ?

It may well be the unanswerable question.
I did not type out a swear word and my knowledge is very limited in these matters.

**geysir** · 06/10/2010, 2:02 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

In your post i see no mention of a win against slovakia, this is all I see: "draw against Russia and beat Slovakia, would do grand. "

So enlighten me .............. in your mind - what is the difference between 'a win against slovakia' and 'beat slovakia'?

**paul_oshea** · 06/10/2010, 3:25 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

So enlighten me .............. in your mind - what is the difference between 'a win against slovakia' and 'beat slovakia'?

Sorry I meant to say a win against russia...

**Stuttgart88** · 06/10/2010, 3:34 PM

Isn't it implicit that if Geysir would take a draw with Russia, he'd also be happy if we won? Or is it a draw or nothing?

Regardless of who the win is against I'd prefer we won on Friday than on Tuesday, just for my state of mind. It'd make the next few days more relaxing.

If we were to get 4 points (good outcome either way) it's "tactically" better to beat Slovakia. They're the ones who need pegging back at this early stage. And a credible away win, like Northern Ireland's in Slovenia, would be a delight.

**rebelmusic** · 06/10/2010, 3:53 PM

On a side-note - 40-1 for Dunney to get the first goal. Worth a couple of quid i'd say, he's due one

**Closed Account** · 06/10/2010, 3:57 PM

Originally Posted by rebelmusic

On a side-note - 40-1 for Dunney to get the first goal. Worth a couple of quid i'd say, he's due one

I got stung with that last time against Armenia and he never even left the Irish half. Didn't go up for corners or free kicks because of the injury he's carrying. Sledge is a better bet.

**geysir** · 06/10/2010, 4:27 PM

I thought Sledge was great bet scoring anytime against Andorra but he hardly went forward for the set pieces.
Fortunatly I don't gamble, I'd be well ruined by now.

**mypost** · 07/10/2010, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Wolfie

Fixtures for Friday 8th and Tuesday 12th Oct:

08/10/2010 Armenia - Slovakia
08/10/2010 Andorra - FYR Macedonia
08/10/2010 Republic of Ireland - Russia

12/10/2010 Armenia - Andorra
12/10/2010 Slovakia - Republic of Ireland
12/10/2010 FYR Macedonia - Russia

If the Russians take a point tomorrow night, they'll be in a great position in the group, with 4 of their last 6 games at home next year, including the last one against Andorra.

We have to hope Slovakia drop something in these two games, as their next two are against Andorra, so it'll be September next year before they're tested again when they come here. Don't want them out of sight or anything.

**Charlie Darwin** · 07/10/2010, 11:45 PM

Pat Fenlon puts it remarkably succinctly:

The challenge is to finally overcome teams that are perceived to be better than us. Russia in Dublin provides that opportunity. If we don’t beat them and Slovakia at home we cannot realistically expect to beat either side on the road. Therefore, we cannot expect to qualify.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...280633172.html

**Noelys Guitar** · 08/10/2010, 12:50 AM

The other match in Armenia will also be very interesting. Lets hope as we beat Russia, Armenia get something off of Slovakia. That match kicks off at 3pm GMT.