Euro 2012 Qualifying Group B - General Discussion

**Stuttgart88** · 10/10/2011, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Kingdom

If it came down to it, would you like to play them?

No, I'm rubbish.

**Kingdom** · 10/10/2011, 12:35 PM

lol, it's lighter moments like that which make the lead in to an important game durable. That, and whisky.

**boovidge** · 10/10/2011, 1:01 PM

Originally Posted by p2011

Afterthought:
If we fail to get seeded, I think we are doomed. So it's essential we get past Armenia and that either France or Serbia stay out of the playoffs. My reading.

There is a big gap between the non-seeded teams (who look beatable, Czechs/Scots/Estonia/Bosnia/Montenegro...) and the seeded teams (who are all better outfits than us, France/Serbia/Croatia/Greece/Sweden/Denmark/Serbia...).

I know Bosnia and Montenegro and the Czechs are not mugs, but they're beatable.

Alan hansen today described montenegro as 'as good as a pub team'. How do these guys keep their jobs?

**Charlie Darwin** · 10/10/2011, 1:11 PM

Because he's voicing the opinions of your average gob****e in a pub who honestly believes England will win the Euros, as he has for every other major championships since he learned to walk.

**geysir** · 10/10/2011, 1:15 PM

Didn't Montenegro rest 3 players against England, hedging their bets in case they had to get a result in Switzerland?

**koneinc** · 10/10/2011, 1:20 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Because he's voicing the opinions of your average gob****e in a pub who honestly believes England will win the Euros, as he has for every other major championships since he learned to walk.

Grating as it is, it does make it all the more enjoyable when the English team implodes

**mypost** · 10/10/2011, 5:31 PM

Originally Posted by Kingdom

Denmark v Portugal, should go to plan.

What is the plan?

Looks like the classic winner-takes-all, 6-pointer to finish the group to me.

**French Toasht** · 10/10/2011, 6:35 PM

The Portugal v Denmark one is an interesting one. Both sides can draw and advance as Denmark would get best second, this is presuming Sweden don't get a result in Holland. I hope Sweden get the best second place. Think they would be a more difficult assignment than Denmark if we end up unseeded.*

*If we end up in the play-offs in the first place.

**mypost** · 10/10/2011, 7:18 PM

Sweden are at home. Holland have nothing to play for. If we got them, it would be a menu starter for the next campaign.

**geysir** · 10/10/2011, 7:22 PM

Holland don't play a dead rubber game. Sweden will have their work cut out to get a result.

**DannyInvincible** · 11/10/2011, 2:24 AM

I've only had the chance to skim through this briefly but am I correct in thinking that if we beat Armenia and France beat Bosnia & Herzegovina then we'll be seeded for the play-off draw? Even if Serbia do manage to beat Slovenia away?

At the minute, of the teams yet to have qualified (with the exception of Russia who should beat Andorra at home and qualify top of our group) ranked ahead of us for the purposes of seeding, we have seven in Serbia, Denmark, France, Sweden, Greece, Croatia and Portugal. That number will be whittled down to four no matter what happens as three of them will have to qualify automatically from Denmark, Sweden, Greece, Croatia or Portugal. That would leave four ahead of us as things stand in Serbia, France, Greece/Croatia and Portugal/Denmark/Sweden (two of these three must qualify automatically, either as group winners or best overall runners-up, if I'm not mistaken). If France beat Bosnia, we'll move into that fourth slot. Is this correct or have I missed something?

Obviously, if we draw, that will complicate matters and we may have to rely on Slovenia holding or beating Serbia, France beating Bosnia, and Turkey being held by or losing to Azerbaijan. Maybe even the Czechs drawing with or losing to Lithuania?

**BonnieShels** · 11/10/2011, 8:34 AM

Yes you are.

**geysir** · 11/10/2011, 9:03 AM

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Is this correct or have I missed something?

If we do win, afaiu the Czech Rep and Turkey can overtake us in that UEFA ranking table, if they better our winning difference by 2 goals.

**mypost** · 11/10/2011, 9:06 AM

Current Seedings

Pot 1
Croatia
Sweden
Ireland
Bosnia

Pot 2
Scotland
Belgium
Montenegro
Estonia

There will probably be a change or two before the final list is known.

**zero** · 11/10/2011, 9:13 AM

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

I've only had the chance to skim through this briefly but am I correct in thinking that if we beat Armenia and France beat Bosnia & Herzegovina then we'll be seeded for the play-off draw? Even if Serbia do manage to beat Slovenia away?

At the minute, of the teams yet to have qualified (with the exception of Russia who should beat Andorra at home and qualify top of our group) ranked ahead of us for the purposes of seeding, we have seven in Serbia, Denmark, France, Sweden, Greece, Croatia and Portugal. That number will be whittled down to four no matter what happens as three of them will have to qualify automatically from Denmark, Sweden, Greece, Croatia or Portugal. That would leave four ahead of us as things stand in Serbia, France, Greece/Croatia and Portugal/Denmark/Sweden (two of these three must qualify automatically, either as group winners or best overall runners-up, if I'm not mistaken). If France beat Bosnia, we'll move into that fourth slot. Is this correct or have I missed something?

Obviously, if we draw, that will complicate matters and we may have to rely on Slovenia holding or beating Serbia, France beating Bosnia, and Turkey being held by or losing to Azerbaijan. Maybe even the Czechs drawing with or losing to Lithuania?

that's correct i believe. i have not seen this mentioned in any media though, only on web forums.

**zero** · 11/10/2011, 9:15 AM

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

I've only had the chance to skim through this briefly but am I correct in thinking that if we beat Armenia and France beat Bosnia & Herzegovina then we'll be seeded for the play-off draw? Even if Serbia do manage to beat Slovenia away?

At the minute, of the teams yet to have qualified (with the exception of Russia who should beat Andorra at home and qualify top of our group) ranked ahead of us for the purposes of seeding, we have seven in Serbia, Denmark, France, Sweden, Greece, Croatia and Portugal. That number will be whittled down to four no matter what happens as three of them will have to qualify automatically from Denmark, Sweden, Greece, Croatia or Portugal. That would leave four ahead of us as things stand in Serbia, France, Greece/Croatia and Portugal/Denmark/Sweden (two of these three must qualify automatically, either as group winners or best overall runners-up, if I'm not mistaken). If France beat Bosnia, we'll move into that fourth slot. Is this correct or have I missed something?

Obviously, if we draw, that will complicate matters and we may have to rely on Slovenia holding or beating Serbia, France beating Bosnia, and Turkey being held by or losing to Azerbaijan. Maybe even the Czechs drawing with or losing to Lithuania?

i'm not sure if france need to beat bosnia. a draw will see france top, and bosnia second. we're ahead of bosnia in the rankings so that would remain the case - if we win.

http://www.world-results.net/uefa/ranking.html#2011

i have not seen this mentioned in any media though, only on web forums.

**geysir** · 11/10/2011, 9:53 AM

Won't there be at least one 'upset' as regards getting through to the playoffs out of Armenia, Scotland, Estonia and Belgium?
I wonder which one it will be