A decent year for the co-efficiant?

[shep]

With Dundalk getting a draw and a win(against Grevenmacher),Bohs getting a home win,and rovers so far with a draw and a win....surely this has not been the worst of years for the co-efficiant.

I know we didnt perform against a good Levski side but our draw and win(albeit against poor opposition),may end up being the joint best contribution.

[A N Mouse]

But unless rovers can add some more points, it will have been the worst year since about 03/04.

This can be put down to a number of factors.

Extra team means (points) returns are smaller - this affects most other countries as well.
Ranked higher, but clubs not having their own points to add to co-efficient - means starting in later rounds, but then unseeded.

I'm sure there are others, but off the top of my head, these are the main ones.

[Dodge]

No its been our (joint) lowest in years. This year Ireland have scored 1 point (1.5 by Dundalk, 1 by Bohs, 1.5 by Rovers divided by 4 - Fingal earned nothing)

The previous five years have been 09/10 -1.375, 08/09 - 2.5, 07/08 - 1, 06/07 - 2.833, 05/06 - 1.833 (lost in next years rankings)

[Duggie]

where does it leave us for next year provided rovers get no points against juve? will we be seeded in champs league like this year?

[shep]

No its been our (joint) lowest in years. This year Ireland have scored 1 point (1.5 by Dundalk, 1 by Bohs, 1.5 by Rovers divided by 4 - Fingal earned nothing)

The previous five years have been 09/10 -1.375, 08/09 - 2.5, 07/08 - 1, 06/07 - 2.833, 05/06 - 1.833 (lost in next years rankings)

Cheers...years in the european wilderness and division 1 means i am out of touch with the calculations.

[Dodge]

For the record here's the results in the previous years

05/06 – Shels, 2.5 Cork 2, Longford 1
Shels v Glentoran – 2 wins
Shels v Steaua – draw, lose
Cork v Ekranes Lose, Win
Longford v Carmawho? – Win, Lose
Cork v Djurgardem – 2 draws
Cork v Slavia Prague – 2 defeats

06/07 – Drogheda 2, Derry 4.5, Cork 1.5
Cork v Apollon – Win, draw
Cork v red star – 2 losses
Drogheda v HJK Helsinki – draw, win
Derry v Gothenburg – 2 wins
Drogheda v Start – lose, win
Derry v Gretna – win, draw
Derry v PSG – draw, lose (in first round so draw gets 1 point)

07/08 – Drogs 2, Pats 0.5, Derry 0.5
Derry v Pyunik – draw, lose
Drogheda v Libertas – draw, win
Pats v Odense – draw, lose
Drogheda v Helsingborg – draw, lose

08/09 – Pats 4.5, Drogheda, 2.5, Cork 0.5
Drogheda v levadia – 2 wins
Drogheda v Kiev – lose, draw
Pats v Olimps – 2 wins
Cork v haka – draw, lose
Pats v Elfsborg – draw, win
Pats v hertha – lose, draw (Full point as it was in first round)

09/10 – Pats 2.5, Derry 2, Sligo 0.5, Bohs 0.5
Bohs v Salzburg – draw, lose
Sligo v Villazna – lose, draw
Pats v Valetta – draw, win
Derry v skonto – draw, win
Pats v Kryla – win, lose
Derry v Sofia - draw, loss
Pats v Bucharest – 2 losses

[Dillonman]

To be fair, majority of the Europa League draws have pinned our sides with tough European opposition. Sofia are always in Europe, Maritimo are a top half Portugese side whose league is miles ahead of ours and Israel is a hard place to go to. Now our sole surviver has to face a hurting Juventus side who underperformed massively last year.

[Dodge]

You can keep track of country rtankings for next year here;

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...crank2011.html

but in terms of seeding, the club rankings are more important. These are here;
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...trank2011.html

Presuming Rovers lose both ties to Juventus (and they could get a result to be fair;
The euro contendors rankings would be

Pats - 4.241
Bohs - 3.741
ROvers - 2.741
Dundalk/FIngal 2.241
Sligo - 1.991

If anyone else wins the FAI Cup, they'll get 1.741

[abcd]

The major problem this season was that Dundalk and Sporting were new to the competition which meant they were unseeded along with Rovers too of course. Pats had a good euro record and faced Valetta in the 2nd round stage last season. Similarly Derry faced Skonto Riga in the 2nd round. Their record in europe plus that of Drogheda and Cork put those teams in a much better position in relation to seeding so this year was always going to be difficult for the Europa League teams. Fingal were very unlucky not to pick up some co-efficient points over the two games

Bohs were the team in pole position to advance yet failed the league badly.

There is positives to take ahead of next year though. Rovers and Pats will more than likely both be in Europe and may be seeded. I think 2 teams will start in the first round of the Europa League which may help build up the co-efficient points. The main positive for next season is that whoever represents us in Europe will have at least some experience in Europe in the past.

[outspoken]

Other Leagues like the Welsh and Northern Irish had some good result's they should pick up some ground on the LOI in the rankings now id imagine

[swinfordfc]

It been a poor year for co-efficient and come next year - i would imagine that we will drop down to 35/36th placed?

[Dodge]

No we'll be 31st or so. its unlikely those below us will get enough point to overtake

[A N Mouse]

09/10 – Pats 2.5, Derry 0.5, Sligo 0.5, Bohs 0.5
Bohs v Salzburg – draw, lose
Sligo v Villazna – lose, draw
Pats v Valetta – draw, win
Derry v skonto – draw, lose
Pats v Kryla – win, lose
Pats v Bucharest – 2 losses

Um, not sure about the rest of your results, but last year Derry: drew and won against Skonto Riga, then lost and drew with CSKA Sofia.

I realise you may have missed it, having had other things on your mind at the time

[Dodge]

He hee. I was looking them up earlier. Just mis-read Derry v Skonto. Was actually surrprised I couldn't remember Derry getting any stick over it. Now I know why.

Above psot edited

[A N Mouse]

He hee. I was looking them up earlier. Just mis-read Derry v Skonto. Was actually surrprised I couldn't remember Derry getting any stick over it. Now I know why.

Above psot edited

Ahem! Might need to look at that psot again - Loss and draw?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...pe/8188725.stm

2 coefficient points for the year

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...ccoef2010.html

[Cymro]

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...crank2011.html

I've had a look at it, here's my assessment. This year's results should see Wales and Northern Ireland each move up at least one place next year, as Liechtenstein will drop 2 points from the 2006/7 season.

Depending on how Bangor City and TNS get on in their future ties this year, Wales could also leapfrog Estonia into a net 44th, having already moved ahead of Armenia. Cliftonville need some results to move NI up past Malta and Armenia, but at least they have avoided falling into the bottom 4 (which would have meant starting in the first qualifying round of the Champions' League for whoever wins the Irish League next year).

In fact, both NI and Wales should be comfortably clear of that ignominy for another couple of seasons. Montenegro have moved out of the bottom four and have been replaced by the Faroe Islands. There is a clear gap of about one point from NI in 49th to the Faroes, Luxembourg, Andorra and San Marino (respectively 50th, 51st, 52nd and 53rd).

The Republic of Ireland will soon lose their best score (2.833 from the 2006/7 season) but are unlikely to suffer too much for it, depending on what happens in the next rounds in Europe. Ireland will be level with Lithuania (in 32nd) when they drop that score, and whilst there are some countries below who could overtake them with some good results this year (Hungary for instance) I can't see Ireland falling any further than about 35th next year. This assumes that Shamrock Rovers lose both legs against Juventus (not necessarily a sure bet).

Believe it or not, despite TNS hammering Bohemians Ireland still have a higher co-efficient score (at present) than Wales for this season (1.000 vs. 0.750). So actually they would be pulling further away rather than being caught as Kieran Burke suggested. However that could change.

[Dodge]

The Republic of Ireland will soon lose their best score (2.833 from the 2006/7 season) but are unlikely to suffer too much for it... I can't see Ireland falling any further than about 35th next year

Next seasons rankings (i.e) 2011/12 will include that 2.833

[Dodge]

Ahem! Might need to look at that psot again - Loss and draw?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...pe/8188725.stm

2 coefficient points for the year

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...ccoef2010.html

You could've giving me a minute

[Cymro]

Next seasons rankings (i.e) 2011/12 will include that 2.833

Ah, OK. So most of my previous post can be discounted then.......

[seand]

In fact, both NI and Wales should be comfortably clear of that ignominy for another couple of seasons. Montenegro have moved out of the bottom four and have been replaced by the Faroe Islands. There is a clear gap of about one point from NI in 49th to the Faroes, Luxembourg, Andorra and San Marino (respectively 50th, 51st, 52nd and 53rd).

Funny enough the ignominy of the first qual rd in the CL would mean a couple of handy points to propel them back up the rankings!