Limerick Desmond League 2010/11

**Have It** · 13/09/2010, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by new boy

great win for askeaton today they played very well.....ncw got back into it and played well .ref was a joke giving all 50/50 to ncw.askeaton look like they will be hard to beat fare play for geting the 3points

Refs always look after the so called bigger clubs. Anyone know if Reidy Cup draw has been made ?

**western gale** · 13/09/2010, 12:18 PM

Sunday 19th September
FAI Junior Cup 1st Round (extra time & penalties)
Adare Utd V Ballingarry 1030 (P. O�Brien)
Kilmarley-Ferns Celtic V Broadford Utd 130pm

Munster Junior Cup 1st Round (extra time & penalties)
Killeaney V St. Itas 1030 (G. O�Connor)

Reidy Joinery Cup 1st Round (extra time & penalties)
Athea Utd V Abbeyfeale Utd B 130pm (M. Houlihan)

Weekly Observer Premier Division
Glin Rovers V Abbeyfeale Utd 1030 (P. Manning)
Shannonside FC V Askeaton 1030 in Shanagolden (T. Fitzmaurice)
Rathkeale V Newcastle West 1030 (D. O�Gorman)

Weekly Observer Division 1
Kilcolman Rovers V Glantine 1030 (L. O�Connor)
Old Mill V Kildimo Utd 1030 (J. Roche)

Weekly Observer Division 2
Knockaderry V Ballysteen 1030 (N. Allen)
Feenagh V Kilcornan 1030 (S. Hartnett)
Breska Rovers V Newcastle West B 130 (T. Fitzmaurice)
Rockhill Rovers V Creeves Celtic 130 (P. O�Connor)
Rathkeale B V Granagh Utd 130 (B. Barry)

Weekly Observer Division 3
Bally Rovers V Glin Rovers B 130pm (P. Manning)
Adare Utd B V Ballingarry B 130pm (P. O�Brien)
Shountrade V Mountcollins 130pm (D. O�Gorman)
Askeaton B V Ferry Rangers 130pm (C. Dalton)

Weekly Observer Division 4
Pallaskenry B V Carrig Celtic B 130 in Salesian College (N. Allen)
St. Itas B V Shannonside FC B 130 (S. Hartnett)
Killeaney B V Athea Utd B 130 (P. O�Donnell)
Newcastle West Rovers B V St. Bens 130 (G. O�Connor)

**walkover** · 13/09/2010, 1:04 PM

Originally Posted by Have It

Refs always look after the so called bigger clubs. Anyone know if Reidy Cup draw has been made ?

Who would you say are the "bigger clubs"?? This argument is often repeated, be it in the Premiership or in local leagues.
But I think locally it often depends whether the refereee likes the team or not... it's usual more personal, especially if the ref has had bad experiences with certain teams!!
Who could you classify as a bigger team in the Desmond league?? Is there "bigger" teams in divisions 1/2/3/4, where I'm sure bad ref decisions also happen....

**Have It** · 13/09/2010, 1:36 PM

The bigger clubs are the clubs from the bigger towns with history of winning trophies. Good refs dont get swayed, bad refs do. But unfortunately we have more bad ones than good ones. If refs make decisions based on whether they "like" a team or not then they are not refereeing impartially or fairly are they. We do have some very good refs but in my opinion bigger clubs do get the big decisions in their favour especially when things are going against them.

**Notaclue** · 13/09/2010, 2:40 PM

The "Bigger" clubs tend to have better teams and better players. In general better players commit less fouls, because of their greater ability, and they are less likely to dissent and whinge when things are not going well for their team. That gives the "Lesser" teams the impression that the refs are favouring the opposition, when in fact the free count is directly in relation to their own lack of ability and the amount of grief that they give the refs.
I was at the Askeaton game yesterday and I didn't think that O'Donnell fouled A. Ryan for a penalty and red card. The ref did give Ncw a pen. for handball by Carrig which looked a good call to me. As regards the Griffin incident, perhaps Askeaton have a case, but the foul would have been nearer the corner flag than the penalty area. A lot of whingeing throughout by Askeaton players. Poor performance in general by NCW but well done to Askeaton on their win. If Askeaton think that the ref gave everything 50/50 to NCW then they should pay regard to my opening statement, and remember that the referees also read their posts.

**limkdesmond** · 13/09/2010, 3:16 PM

i was at the askeaton v ncw match also and thought it was a very good entertaining game..i dont think that the ref favoured ncw either.but he must have been blind to see the foul on ryan for a clear penalty and red card for the ncw player..i think ncw penalty was a penalty in my opinion..worst performance in the second half iv seen ncw play and if they continue like that then they won be in with a shout to win the league..askeaton scored two crackers in the first half..best goals iv seen in a long time in the desmond league..gotta give credit to askeaton for their win which gives them 9pts outta 9

**limkdesmond** · 13/09/2010, 3:23 PM

Sunday 19th September
FAI Junior Cup 1st Round (extra time & penalties)
Adare Utd V Ballingarry 1030 AWAY
Kilmarley-Ferns Celtic V Broadford Utd 130pm HOME

Munster Junior Cup 1st Round (extra time & penalties)
Killeaney V St. Itas 1030 HOME

Reidy Joinery Cup 1st Round (extra time & penalties)
Athea Utd V Abbeyfeale Utd B 130pm AWAY

Weekly Observer Premier Division
Glin Rovers V Abbeyfeale Utd 1030 AWAY
Shannonside FC V Askeaton 1030 in Shanagolden DRAW
Rathkeale V Newcastle West 1030 DRAW

Weekly Observer Division 1
Kilcolman Rovers V Glantine 1030 HOME
Old Mill V Kildimo Utd 1030 DRAW

Weekly Observer Division 2
Knockaderry V Ballysteen 1030 HOME
Feenagh V Kilcornan 1030 AWAY
Breska Rovers V Newcastle West B 130 HOME
Rockhill Rovers V Creeves Celtic 130 HOME
Rathkeale B V Granagh Utd 130 HOME

Weekly Observer Division 3
Bally Rovers V Glin Rovers B 130pm HOME
Adare Utd B V Ballingarry B 130pm AWAY
Shountrade V Mountcollins 130pm AWAY
Askeaton B V Ferry Rangers 130pm HOME

Weekly Observer Division 4
Pallaskenry B V Carrig Celtic B 130 in Salesian College AWAY
St. Itas B V Shannonside FC B 130 HOME
Killeaney B V Athea Utd B 130 HOME
Newcastle West Rovers B V St. Bens 130 AWAY

**Johnnie C** · 13/09/2010, 3:27 PM

Does anyone think that a DL side can make serious inroads in the Munster or FAI Junior Cups this season ? Are Askeaton the only DL side who got as far as the MJC semi's in 1991?

**walkover** · 13/09/2010, 3:30 PM

It depends alot on who the referee is, some give into teams who winge alot, and others tend to get sick of the winging and might let a big decision slide!!
There are some refs that are very good, who always remain impartial, Donie O'Gorman for one I think! But in general in the Desmond league I don't think there are many cases of "Bigger" clubs getting the 50/50s their way...

On another note, Shannonside vs Askeaton and Newcastle vs Rathkeale next weekend should be 2 great games... the latter game getting the best ref available so hopefully no impartial decisions

**western gale** · 13/09/2010, 4:41 PM

Sunday 19th September
FAI Junior Cup 1st Round (extra time & penalties)
Adare Utd V Ballingarry 1030 AWAY
Kilmarley-Ferns Celtic V Broadford Utd 130pm HOME

Munster Junior Cup 1st Round (extra time & penalties)
Killeaney V St. Itas 1030 HOME

Reidy Joinery Cup 1st Round (extra time & penalties)
Athea Utd V Abbeyfeale Utd B 130pm HOME

Weekly Observer Premier Division
Glin Rovers V Abbeyfeale Utd 1030 DRAW
Shannonside FC V Askeaton 1030 in Shanagolden HOME
Rathkeale V Newcastle West 1030 HOME

Weekly Observer Division 1
Kilcolman Rovers V Glantine 1030 HOME
Old Mill V Kildimo Utd 1030 DRAW

Weekly Observer Division 2
Knockaderry V Ballysteen 1030 HOME
Feenagh V Kilcornan 1030 HOME
Breska Rovers V Newcastle West B 130 DRAW
Rockhill Rovers V Creeves Celtic 130 HOME
Rathkeale B V Granagh Utd 130 HOME

Weekly Observer Division 3
Bally Rovers V Glin Rovers B 130pm HOME
Adare Utd B V Ballingarry B 130pm DRAW
Shountrade V Mountcollins 130pm AWAY
Askeaton B V Ferry Rangers 130pm AWAY

Weekly Observer Division 4
Pallaskenry B V Carrig Celtic B 130 in Salesian College DRAW
St. Itas B V Shannonside FC B 130 AWAY
Killeaney B V Athea Utd B 130 AWAY
Newcastle West Rovers B V St. Bens 130 AWAY

**Have It** · 13/09/2010, 5:50 PM

Originally Posted by Johnnie C

Does anyone think that a DL side can make serious inroads in the Munster or FAI Junior Cups this season ? Are Askeaton the only DL side who got as far as the MJC semi's in 1991?

In a word, No. Desmond league sides are a million miles behind the city league. Its hard to put a finger on why. Some of our best players do leave our league for the city and I dont think any Desmond league clubs pay players to play for them. Having said that, we did win an Oscar Traynor Cup not too long ago. Anyone got any ideas why we find it hard to compete with other leagues ?

**Have It** · 13/09/2010, 5:57 PM

Originally Posted by Notaclue

The "Bigger" clubs tend to have better teams and better players. In general better players commit less fouls, because of their greater ability, and they are less likely to dissent and whinge when things are not going well for their team. That gives the "Lesser" teams the impression that the refs are favouring the opposition, when in fact the free count is directly in relation to their own lack of ability and the amount of grief that they give the refs.
I was at the Askeaton game yesterday and I didn't think that O'Donnell fouled A. Ryan for a penalty and red card. The ref did give Ncw a pen. for handball by Carrig which looked a good call to me. As regards the Griffin incident, perhaps Askeaton have a case, but the foul would have been nearer the corner flag than the penalty area. A lot of whingeing throughout by Askeaton players. Poor performance in general by NCW but well done to Askeaton on their win. If Askeaton think that the ref gave everything 50/50 to NCW then they should pay regard to my opening statement, and remember that the referees also read their posts.

I would tend to disagree with you there. I think that the "better" players are by far the worst offenders when it comes to moaning and abusing referees because they know they can get away with it. And not just in the Desmond league, in every league in the world. (Eg. Terry, Rooney,)

**western gale** · 13/09/2010, 7:57 PM

Originally Posted by Johnnie C

Does anyone think that a DL side can make serious inroads in the Munster or FAI Junior Cups this season ? Are Askeaton the only DL side who got as far as the MJC semi's in 1991?

Askeaton got to the MJC Final against Johnville (Waterford)

**FiveB** · 13/09/2010, 9:30 PM

Not a Clue, the one good thing about your alias is that your telling everyone you have no clue b4 they even read your post. How the Foul on Anthony Ryan was not a straight red and a penaltyis beyond me, the NCW players even admitted it themselves. They congratulated the Askeaton players at Full time and admitted Askeaton deserved to win, and fair play to NCW, they will be up there come the final games of the season. As for Paula O Brain, he has had it in for Askeaton now for quite a while, I think a dubious penalty was awarded to Carrig Celtic in last years desmond cup early rounds against Askeaton if im not forgetting by the same man..... anyway maybe we should all take up reffing and get the handy money also

**Notaclue** · 13/09/2010, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by FiveB

Not a Clue, the one good thing about your alias is that your telling everyone you have no clue b4 they even read your post. How the Foul on Anthony Ryan was not a straight red and a penaltyis beyond me, the NCW players even admitted it themselves. They congratulated the Askeaton players at Full time and admitted Askeaton deserved to win, and fair play to NCW, they will be up there come the final games of the season. As for Paula O Brain, he has had it in for Askeaton now for quite a while, I think a dubious penalty was awarded to Carrig Celtic in last years desmond cup early rounds against Askeaton if im not forgetting by the same man..... anyway maybe we should all take up reffing and get the handy money also

Nice to see that the inmates of 5b are well. Just to let you know that the Notaclue comes from the name of a little Jack Russel dog that my kids had when they were very young. Happy? As regards taking up refereeing look back at a previous post by me and you will see that I think no sane person would consider it.It now seems that the internet is a cheap way of having a pot at the referees. I hope that Paul O'Brien doesn't take all this to heart and keeps going. All I can offer on posts is my honest opinion, but it obviously gets to some people. Askeaton deserved their win on Sunday, and good luck to them for the rest of the season.

**Ask me tom** · 14/09/2010, 6:20 AM

Originally Posted by Johnnie C

Does anyone think that a DL side can make serious inroads in the Munster or FAI Junior Cups this season ? Are Askeaton the only DL side who got as far as the MJC semi's in 1991?

Askeaton made the final losing to Johnsville of waterford in '92or'94

**soccer8** · 14/09/2010, 9:11 AM

For me the majority of referees in the Desmond League are poor I don't like knocking them because its not an easy job and its easier said than done.....its tough to take poor decisions going against you but you just have to get on with it...by the sounds of it Paul O'Brien was terrible last week but there is'nt much you can do about it.... look at the ireland v France game

It's going to be a long season of knocking referees we'll just have to get on with it....

As for the standard in the Desmond League-I think we are going to continue loosing players to the Limerick League as the standard is very good in there and any decent players in the Desmond League look to test themselves and play at a higher standard head in to the city. Pitches are improving which is a major plus we just need to stop loosing players to the city

One small thing which grabbed my attention I noticed that City League keeps track of all the goalscorers throughout the season I know Frank Nelligan does a great job but it would keep things more interesting

**Draper** · 14/09/2010, 9:27 AM

Absolutly agree soccer8, a top goalscorers chart is a great idea, Frank?

Originally Posted by soccer8

For me the majority of referees in the Desmond League are poor I don't like knocking them because its not an easy job and its easier said than done.....its tough to take poor decisions going against you but you just have to get on with it...by the sounds of it Paul O'Brien was terrible last week but there is'nt much you can do about it.... look at the ireland v France game

It's going to be a long season of knocking referees we'll just have to get on with it....

As for the standard in the Desmond League-I think we are going to continue loosing players to the Limerick League as the standard is very good in there and any decent players in the Desmond League look to test themselves and play at a higher standard head in to the city. Pitches are improving which is a major plus we just need to stop loosing players to the city

One small thing which grabbed my attention I noticed that City League keeps track of all the goalscorers throughout the season I know Frank Nelligan does a great job but it would keep things more interesting

**Gearysfan** · 15/09/2010, 3:39 PM

Lads i spoke to shay lyons yesterday and he told me that he commited the foul on ryan. He said it was definetly a penalty and a sending off but he could see where the ref may have got it wrong. He told me ryan kicked the ball forward just as he tackled him. He did admit though that he made no contact with the ball.
He said that askeaton were outstanding on sunday, they went two up with two crackers and really played out of their skin in the second half to come back from 3-2 down. According to him they deserved every bit of the victory and will be a very hard team to beat. He was also talking alot about a young griffin lad up front. Said he has great movement and for his size is able to mix it up with the lads alot bigger than himself. One to watch, i have never seen him play can anyone agree with this.

In my opinion though its very easy to be blaming refs. its a hard enough job to do lads and i think we should ease off on them. We might think they are the best but then again they are not officiating football from the premiership in england. Just my opinion

**Yorkshire rose** · 15/09/2010, 5:12 PM

Originally Posted by Have It

Once again not much sign of new referees. Do people not want to do it or are the powers that be making it too tough?
And with all due respect some of the refs are poor. Some new blood is needed, top teams get looked after too much

I just read in the Observer that there is a beginners course for new referees being run in the near future..........any takers lads ?????