Soccer Thugs in Croke Park

**outspoken** · 11/07/2010, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

wtf? How can you say that?

The ref gets a decision wrong (no matter how wrong, or how important), and you think it's right to go after him throwing punches?

yes i do , the bottle been thrown was wrong but apart from that not much happened a few pushes no punches thrown

**Dodge** · 11/07/2010, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by Kieran Burke

yes i do , the bottle been thrown was wrong but apart from that not much happened a few pushes no punches thrown

You mightn't meant o, but you typify GAA fans for me. Horrendous sport watched by peple who think jumping on a pitch, running 50 yards and throwinga shoulder into a ref is OK...

**osarusan** · 11/07/2010, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Kieran Burke

yes i do , the bottle been thrown was wrong but apart from that not much happened a few pushes no punches thrown

I don't know you at all, but honest to god, I think that's one of the most pathetic attitudes I've ever heard.

**Ari Gold** · 11/07/2010, 11:48 PM

Give me a break Dodge with a generalisation like that. Louth brought 25,000 fans today to Croker and created a fantastic atmosphere but 5 or 6 idiots let them down. They should be banned for life no question.

LOI fans slagging off the behaviour of GAA fans is laughable though - we all know you could write a book on certain fans of Bohs, Rovers, Dundalk, etc.

Simple fact is there are bad eggs in all walks of life. I feel sorry for the 99% genuine Louth GAA people today - esp those of the older generations who have waited a lifetime for a chance like today. 50 years of hoping and it taken away from them by one of the worst decisions I've ever seen.

**osarusan** · 11/07/2010, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Spudulika

the idiots who ran after the ref should be banned for life from ALL sports venues, they aren't sports fans and they don't represent anything to do with sport.

They clearly are sports fans, they're Louth fans.

**Ari Gold** · 11/07/2010, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by holidaysong

You weren't far off the mark LTID...

http://www.anfearrua.com/db.asp?a=to...lay&tid=860368

That thread is more tongue and cheek in response to an obvious wind up merchant - probably from this site!

This thread has the real debate:

http://www.anfearrua.ie/db.asp?a=top...=860361&xpos=0

**mypost** · 12/07/2010, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by Spudulika

if I'd been there I'd have taken something to the ref - it did bring back memories of November 2009 and the piece of crud that is Henry. However the GAA at least will look for fair play and hopefully give a replay!

Clever idea to run onto pitches. The GAA have permitted it for 125 years after all.

Couldn't care less who won or what happened. Louth just have to wait another 12 months to try win the All Ireland. It's at least another 3 years before we can qualify for the World Cup Finals.

Frankly, what's more important?

**Spudulika** · 12/07/2010, 5:31 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

Clever idea to run onto pitches. The GAA have permitted it for 125 years after all.

Couldn't care less who won or what happened. Louth just have to wait another 12 months to try win the All Ireland. It's at least another 3 years before we can qualify for the World Cup Finals.

Frankly, what's more important?

For Louth fans? Winning a deserved Leinster title - an All-Ireland would be too much to hope for. Compare the dross and cheating that was the world cup finals (especially the final) to a rollercoaster Leinster Final from yesterday and you have your answer.

Osarusan, they're not fans of any sort - like I said I'd put them in with the idiots who caused trouble at Oriel or any other "event" that attracts such fools. A proper sports fan will feel resentful but will accept that it is sport after all. It was hard to stomach the cheating French in Paris, but as they say, karma's a b@@@h. It just grates that it was Meath yesterday, the most hateful team in football.

**mypost** · 12/07/2010, 5:45 AM

When you qualify for the World Cup finals, people across the world sit up and take notice. When counties win the provincial title, the only headlines it makes is in the Echo.

When you're cheated out of the World Cup, there is outrage across the world. When you're cheated out of the provincial title, there is outrage in one county. There is no comparison.

**Dodge** · 12/07/2010, 7:17 AM

Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Give me a break Dodge with a generalisation like that. Louth brought 25,000 fans today to Croker and created a fantastic atmosphere but 5 or 6 idiots let them down. They should be banned for life no question.

Unless Kieran burke was one of those on the pitch having a pop at the ref (and it was far, far, far more than 5/6 BTW) then I wasn't talking about these people. I was talking abotu the people who think its OK to do that. And most of the comments I heard/read have been of ilk "sure the ref deserved it.."

**OneRedArmy** · 12/07/2010, 7:38 AM

"A course of action may need to be taken against individuals who transgressed security".

Strong words indeed from Christy Cooney.......!

**OneRedArmy** · 12/07/2010, 7:45 AM

Originally Posted by Spudulika

For Louth fans? Winning a deserved Leinster title - an All-Ireland would be too much to hope for. Compare the dross and cheating that was the world cup finals (especially the final) to a rollercoaster Leinster Final from yesterday and you have your answer.

Osarusan, they're not fans of any sort - like I said I'd put them in with the idiots who caused trouble at Oriel or any other "event" that attracts such fools. A proper sports fan will feel resentful but will accept that it is sport after all. It was hard to stomach the cheating French in Paris, but as they say, karma's a b@@@h. It just grates that it was Meath yesterday, the most hateful team in football.

Why the repeated comparison with Paris? GAA central council Rule 47b(ii) when something untoward happens, immediately equate it with a foreign sport incident under the "sure we're no worse than them" governing principle?!

Most people in the Paris knew what had happened via text and they didn't feel the need to attack the ref.

**Ari Gold** · 12/07/2010, 8:11 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Unless Kieran burke was one of those on the pitch having a pop at the ref (and it was far, far, far more than 5/6 BTW) then I wasn't talking about these people. I was talking abotu the people who think its OK to do that. And most of the comments I heard/read have been of ilk "sure the ref deserved it.."

Far far far more than 5 or 6? Ok I have looked back at the clip - you have one guy straight after the final whistle while another fan and a number of the players tell him to get lost. Then as the ref makes his way towards the tunnel there are no more than 6 or 7 that get close to the ref.

Where did you read these comments of "sure the ref deserved it"? If you think the majority of GAA fans in this country were not outraged by this and thought the ref deserved it then you are living in your own cloud cuckoo land.

**osarusan** · 12/07/2010, 8:30 AM

Originally Posted by Spudulika

Osarusan, they're not fans of any sort - like I said I'd put them in with the idiots who caused trouble at Oriel or any other "event" that attracts such fools. A proper sports fan will feel resentful but will accept that it is sport after all.

You see, this is a kind of cop out argument.

"Real sports fans wouldn't do these kinds of things, so therefore anybody who does it can't be a real sports fan."

Real sports fans do behave in this way. These fools that you tak about are GAA fans also, and the fools at Oriel were football fans.

**Spudulika** · 12/07/2010, 8:51 AM

Originally Posted by osarusan

You see, this is a kind of cop out argument.

"Real sports fans wouldn't do these kinds of things, so therefore anybody who does it can't be a real sports fan."

Real sports fans do behave in this way. These fools that you tak about are GAA fans also, and the fools at Oriel were football fans.

Cannot agree with you in any way shape or form. A true fan of sports will shout, roar and ultimately turn to his neighbour and just get on with life. People like this have no place in sports and cannot be called sports fans - no matter what event they disrupt. Because if you believe what you've written then the scumbags who decided to make shapes and throw plastic chairs at each other in Melbourne were sports fans there for tennis? Give me a break!

my post, it's the same as asking a Rovers fan if they'd rather the club won the Champions League or Ireland qualified for the World Cup, or less, if Rovers won the League or Ireland qualified for the World Cup - what would your answer be? Objectivity goes out the window when it's your own kith and kin, village, club involved!

**micls** · 12/07/2010, 9:11 AM

Originally Posted by elroy

I think you have a point, there are some very bizarre rules. I seem to recall a goal scored by Tyrone against Dublin back in the final in 1995 disallowed for similar enough reasons i.e. no striking action.

I always understood that you could score a goal by fisting the back to the net or once there is a striking action on the ball. From what im hearing on the radio today, a goal will not be awarded if a player runs across the line with ball in hand (fair enough) but also will be disallowed if the ball is fisted or hand passed to the net.

You can handpass the ball over the bar, but it must be kicked into the goal if it's in your hands.

**holidaysong** · 12/07/2010, 9:15 AM

Originally Posted by Ari Gold

That thread is more tongue and cheek in response to an obvious wind up merchant - probably from this site!

This thread has the real debate:

http://www.anfearrua.ie/db.asp?a=top...=860361&xpos=0

They're in that thread too. They're not all tongue in cheek.

Originally Posted by Corbally Legend

I've just seen these scenes from the GAH today. Could you imagine the likes of this in rugby or in
Thomond Park were the referee is sacrosant.
Louth, I'm sure would have a big soccer element from Dundalk & Drogheda there today. No doubt a Sinn
Fein element involved in it all too.

**osarusan** · 12/07/2010, 9:23 AM

Originally Posted by Spudulika

People like this have no place in sports and cannot be called sports fans - no matter what event they disrupt. Because if you believe what you've written then the scumbags who decided to make shapes and throw plastic chairs at each other in Melbourne were sports fans there for tennis? Give me a break!

I'm not saying that every incident of violence / trouble at a sports event is caused by genuine fans. I'm sure most events do attract a certain number of idiots.

What I'm disagreeing with the the blanket statement that anybody who does this kind of thing cannot be a sports fan. Like I said, it's a cop out argument used to distance sports fans from such an incident.

Non-sports fans will cause trouble at a game, but real sports fan will do so also. We've already seen comments on this thread from fans condoning what happened in Croke Park as being understandable considering what was at stake.

**Dodge** · 12/07/2010, 9:45 AM

Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Where did you read these comments of "sure the ref deserved it"? If you think the majority of GAA fans in this country were not outraged by this and thought the ref deserved it then you are living in your own cloud cuckoo land.

From friends who follow the game. From reading a couple of message boards. From listening to vox pops on radio. Facebook and twitter types

Granted all rubbishy sources, and in no way am I saying I'm unbiased in this, but there you go. Far more people defended those fans than condemned them. You're a GAA fan so you'd have access to more fans' opinions. Fair enough, you know more than me.