Tipp South & District League 2010/11

**Roberto** · 18/05/2011, 1:21 PM

Originally Posted by Honestman

last 6 seasons winners and runners up.....05/06 Town / Michaels 06/07 Town / Michaels 07/08 Town / Michaels 08/09 Town / Villa 09/10 Villa / Town 10/11 Town / Michaels.... based on these facts Villa are the only team that have broken the hold of the big 2.... I believe that Celtic have hugh potential but need to be at the business end of the league, the facts above show they flatter to decieve, but are a great cup team.

Slight correction, Celtic were runners up to Villa in 09/10 and not Town.

**Chops** · 18/05/2011, 1:44 PM

I have to agree with ya Pony why bother entering teams into a league if you are not willing to go to the premier league it was always the wilderness objective to get to premier league and when they did havnt they done an excellent job there.people on here were saying that st.nicholas didnt want to go up if they didnt win the 1st division so can someone tell me what would the difference have been if they went up as champions or runners up they would still have to play in the premier league.If there not happy why not go back to the 4th division.It is also why im in favour of B teams been allowed up to the premier league.

**nononsense** · 18/05/2011, 5:05 PM

Take a look at the nine clubs which started in the 1st division this season. I can assure you FIVE of them had no interest in going into the Premier league and a sixth, a 'B' team couldn't. I may not agree with it, I may not like it, but that is a fact.

**Honestman** · 18/05/2011, 5:42 PM

I stand corrected Roberto

**Roberto** · 18/05/2011, 6:55 PM

Originally Posted by nononsense

Take a look at the nine clubs which started in the 1st division this season. I can assure you FIVE of them had no interest in going into the Premier league and a sixth, a 'B' team couldn't. I may not agree with it, I may not like it, but that is a fact.

Don't know how you can make such a sweeping statement. A few months back people were posting here about how close and exciting the first division was and now you're suggesting that up to 5 teams were playing games that they may not have been interested in winning.

**the wombat** · 18/05/2011, 7:11 PM

fact it borris are the only team with genuine ambition to do anything in the premier

**the wombat** · 18/05/2011, 8:16 PM

if the saints go on to lift the big one would it be fair to say that the tsdl is the best league in the country. beaten finalists in fai last year and in the munster final. this year we have munster champions and fai finalists . and saying that they still cannot get their hands on the league title. it says a lot in my opinion. some top class players and teams around, understandable that 1st division teams struggle, could you see st nicks or galbally doing the business in the aul premier for example?

**nononsense** · 18/05/2011, 9:05 PM

Originally Posted by Roberto

Don't know how you can make such a sweeping statement. A few months back people were posting here about how close and exciting the first division was and now you're suggesting that up to 5 teams were playing games that they may not have been interested in winning.

I know that because I attended a first division game almost every week and spoke to most of the clubs' mentors. It is not a sweeping statement. It is a known fact.

**stelling** · 18/05/2011, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by the wombat

fact it borris are the only team with genuine ambition to do anything in the premier

What exactly are Borris going to do?? if they finish 3rd last and stay up it will be a success for them

**the wombat** · 18/05/2011, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by stelling

What exactly are Borris going to do?? if they finish 3rd last and stay up it will be a success for them

maybe it will be but at least they will try. believe me their manager has no intention of making up the numbers and i expect quite a few new faces out there for pre season

**Roberto** · 19/05/2011, 8:06 AM

Originally Posted by nononsense

I know that because I attended a first division game almost every week and spoke to most of the clubs' mentors. It is not a sweeping statement. It is a known fact.

There is a huge difference between club mentors expressing concerns about whether they could survive in the Premier League and teams deliberately not doing their best in games to avoid winning (i.e. cheating). I don't know what you are suggesting. If it is the latter produce some evidence i.e. results from the First Division over the past season that would be considered 'surprises/upsets'.

**Honestman** · 19/05/2011, 10:33 AM

Will the management at Borris take the club down the same road it has done previously with other clubs ie Kilkenny,Cashel, Villa, success will come but at what long term price to the club? Will many local players make the cut, as the team that won the 1st division will not win the premier league, so new faces are a certainty. Should be interesting tug of war for players from Villa and Cashel. If Celtic make a few key signings I believe they can at last win the league. Michaels inability to win the league over the past years must hurt.... I would like to wish them the best of luck in FAI final, I hope they grab the opportunity with both hands.

**stelling** · 19/05/2011, 11:04 AM

[QUOTE=the wombat;1487428]maybe it will be but at least they will try. believe me their manager has no intention of making up the numbers and i expect quite a few new faces out there for pre season[/QUO

Well it would be great for the league if they do assemble a strong squad,more competition the better the games

**SgtBilko** · 19/05/2011, 7:01 PM

well for all those celtic fans like roberto and ponyobrien and also townfan who never had the experience of tryin to gather lads from a rural area to play on a sunday morning i think you should try it sometime, not everyone has and should have aspirations to get the premier league, some lads are out for the enjoyment and that is st nicholas level. its very easy speak like that when you have the pick of clonmel to choose from and also with the luxury of b teams and youth teams to fall back on, come to the rural area and find out whats its like to run a team!

**ponyobrien** · 19/05/2011, 7:44 PM

Originally Posted by SgtBilko

well for all those celtic fans like roberto and ponyobrien and also townfan who never had the experience of tryin to gather lads from a rural area to play on a sunday morning i think you should try it sometime, not everyone has and should have aspirations to get the premier league, some lads are out for the enjoyment and that is st nicholas level. its very easy speak like that when you have the pick of clonmel to choose from and also with the luxury of b teams and youth teams to fall back on, come to the rural area and find out whats its like to run a team!

Its not as easy as you think in Clonmel. There are 7 junior teams in the town.

**SgtBilko** · 19/05/2011, 8:01 PM

with a population of 20000

**nononsense** · 19/05/2011, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Roberto

There is a huge difference between club mentors expressing concerns about whether they could survive in the Premier League and teams deliberately not doing their best in games to avoid winning (i.e. cheating). I don't know what you are suggesting. If it is the latter produce some evidence i.e. results from the First Division over the past season that would be considered 'surprises/upsets'.

Have a look at the results yourself - they are all on the tsdl website. Take particular note of the results in the second-half of the season.

**nononsense** · 19/05/2011, 10:47 PM

Well said again sgtbilko. There is a huge difference between running a club in a densely populated area compared to running a club in a rural parish. St.Nicholas operate from the small parish of Solohead. They have a base - a local identity. Their motto is to keep the club community based - a club from the parish for the parish. The first division is their comfort zone. Other posters have said Borris will now strengthened their team to compete in the Premier division. That means they have to go outside their community. Fine if that is their club policy - local players will have to make way for these new signings. Some clubs just do not want to operate like that and quite a few of those clubs are in the first division where they are happiest.

**Mega Tots** · 19/05/2011, 10:59 PM

Willie Mulcaire and Tommy Gaynor will have notions of coming up and signing 7 or 8 players to try and win the league,i do not think it will happen though,i think that day is gone where they will have that kind of pull,the players are not out there,Villa are in a lot of trouble but if Donal Duggan,Alan Leahy,Jody O Grady,David Maher,Aaron Ryan all stay then i think Villa will still be the stronger side

**Honestman** · 20/05/2011, 6:48 AM

Ok this debate about St Nicks could go on and on.... So they should head to the premier league with no pressure other than to compete and enjoy the season and see where it will take them, and learn from the experience. Has Mick Ryan left Villa as I notice you did'nt include him in
your list Mega Tots????