Sure we still dont know how many teams are going down and how many coming up, now that is beyond belief, when will he decide,on the last day of the season?Originally Posted by Quietman
Having only 8 teams in the Top Division is the problem, should be at least another 4 teams making it a 12 team division!!
"There is no pressure at the top. The pressure's being second or third."
Sure we still dont know how many teams are going down and how many coming up, now that is beyond belief, when will he decide,on the last day of the season?
12 may be a bit too many considering there are only 43 teams in the league, i think a premier division of 10 teams would be sustainable. In my opinion this season would be great season to start it let the current 8 teams in premier remain promote top 2 from division 1 and theres your ten. If borris and saint nicholas come up then you would prob have ten best clubs facilities wise in premier ( not saying ten best teams but prob ten teams with best pitches bar banshas who s pitch is top quality).
1 saint michaels :fifa floodlight pitch,stand,state of the art dressing rooms and meeting room, astro turf pitch. top facilities all round
2 clonmel town : good pitch, astro pitch , complex and indoor hall, new dressing rooms, state of the art all round
3 Clonmel celtic : good pitch, brand new astro and brand new dressing rooms. superb facilities
4 Peake villa: 2 pitches, astro turf, new dressing rooms
5 cahir park : brand new dressing rooms complex opened this year, prob one of best pitches in country, stand, astro turf, Prob best set up in Tsdl
6 Wilderness : not bad pitch , newly formed club in comparison to other prem teams so will improve in years to come
7 Cashel town : lot of money spent developing pitch.Lovely finish on pitch ,fenced off etc very good dressing rooms and parking
8 Galbally Utd : Dressing rooms astro turf .Existing pitch not great but have bought a second pitch beside existing one and are developing that at present
9 Saint Nicholas : brand new pitch and dressing rooms superb set up for small country club
10 borris : astro turf , club house and dressing rooms, 2 top quality pitch's
think those ten teams would make real good premier division next year not saying there ten best teams but if we have best facilities in premier one would imagine overall standards would improve. If we were to put ten top teams on footballing ability in premier next year would prob take galbally out of that list and put in either bridge or rosegreen
Last edited by balls; 07/12/2010 at 2:22 PM.
if it wasnt for birds and booze id have played for ireland juniors!!!!!
Valid point with regard to facilities, but I still think 12 teams would be a better option. If you take out the 8 'B' teams and create a 'B' League you would then be left with 35 teams. Run 3 divisions consisting of two 12 team leagues and an 11 team league...............More League games then for everyone involved, especially the lower league teams who normally don't progress to latter stages of cup competitions................ The bigger Clubs in theory should have the squads to deal with the extra games..........................
"There is no pressure at the top. The pressure's being second or third."
If the premier was made up of 10 teams and a shield was brought in after Jan that was played between all premier Clubs that did not get out of the area in either FAI or Munster Cups it would give premier clubs an extra 1 - 4 games most seasons and depending on numbers each season could be played home and away for each round. This would give 'smaller' Premier clubs a chance to win silverware at the end of a season.
Are we not then in danger of de-valuing silverware by bringing in a shield just so somebody can win something at the end of the season, if clubs like Cahir, Cashel etc want to win something then they need to start working harder at their youth and schoolboys to develop teams that can win silverware
This might sound completely crazy but what would ye think of the tipperary cup been run in an idea similar to the champions league. I suppose it would take away the appeal of cup knockout football but at the end f the day, we have the fai and munster for that. Have no seeding just random groups.
What ye reckon?
Come on now!! How many of St Michael's current Premier team came from their youth or schoolboy teams of the last 10 years? How many players have Cashel and other smaller clubs lost to St Michaels or Clonmel Town after years spent on them at Schoolboy and youth level!
Yeah but surely if the Cashels and the Cahirs have a proper Junior team set up these players wont have to leave,most clubs only lose players because once they finish youths its all downhill at their own clubs
how can you say cashel dont have proper junior set up, there not at level of town or saints but they have some great players and would easily hold there own in any premier junior league in the country. im sure they ll give town a good game when they play them in MJC
if it wasnt for birds and booze id have played for ireland juniors!!!!!
It's a bit chicken and egg really Hooper.. the junior teams go downhill because the youths are stolen or leave after youths, and then the youths coming behind don't want to stay because the junior teams are gone downhill.
The transition from youths to juniors is always difficult.. as it is in all sports... only the strongest and best youths have a chance of going straight to junior soccer after they finish youths, and by the time the others feel like they are getting their chance, they may be out of the game for a couple of years.. and many don't then come back unfortunately
Yeah i see what your saying, it is a difficult one, maybe the clubs need to develop some sort of club spirit and family feeling and show players plans for the future that encourage them to stay,i agree completely with balls comment about the quality of some of cashels players but you have to ask why they find themselves fighting relegation,there is no question some of them are not giving all that they could and im sure there are reasons for that
of saint michaels regular starting 11, chris higgins, james walsh, and paul tobin of the back four have all played schoolboys/youths for the club. in midfield cooper fahy jimmy carr, and richie ryan have all played schoolboys/youths with the club. trevor cosgrave played youths and 1 year out of youths before joining fairview. thats 7 of the regular starting 11. of the non regular starters you have the likes of seanie o halloran, danny o brien, cormac molloy that have also all come through the ranks. just because michaels always attract a high profile player or 2 each season (which any club needs) if dey want to have a lash at an fai or mjc they are considered a poaching club but as i have illustrated above the current st michaels team is predominantly a homegrown team.
Just one example for Republican. When villa had a bad start to the season michaels got the phonebook out again. A couple of weeks later Foggy had signed for ye, 2 goals the weekend aswell. Good signing! To say ye`re not a poaching club is either very naive or I missed the point and you were being sarcastic! But saying that, ye`re not the only club who do it, villa were often guilty of it themselves and town have a long history of it as was pointed out with the old bridge debate.
Republican,
your wasting your virtual ink pointing out the facts to some people on this site about Saints. You pointed out 10 players that are "home grown" and still the bitter people appear. My personal opinion is that the majority of the people that are on this forum are ex-players from other clubs that never played for Saints and are bitter because they were never asked.
Ill move along to Sunday's fixture i predict e.t . with Saints to win by the odd goal in five!!
wel your entitled to your opinion fairdecision but to say peake villa were guilty of poaching players down the years is the understatement of the century. at one time there they were so desperate to win an fai youths cup they had players from all over the place playing for them. answer me this who is the only club to win an fai youths in south tipp? yes saint michaels actually they won it two years ina row in 94 and again in 95 a feat that no other club will ever do again in south tipp and it was the nucleus of those two squads that got michaels to two junior finals in 2000 and again 2002 with all homegrown players such as, davy ryan, hawk o dwyer, eoin bresnan paul tobin, alan flynn, etc.. im not having a go here mate i feel bad for what is going on up there at the moment but it is mismanagement of the club in the past 10 years that has resulted in your current situation. just on foggy wel if michaels hadnt acted there he would be wearing a clonmel town jersey otherwise as has been the case with derek loughnane and ted o connor. who else was he going to sign for in fairness only 1 of those 2 if he was leaving villa.
lads homegrown players in my opinion would be a lad from tipp town played all his underage with saints from say U10s up. ye have one player in that bracket in yer starting 11 paul tobin, no one else is even from tipp town in yer starting eleven.(dont think cooper or jimmy carr were with saints that young plus neither are from tipp town) Im not saying ye are not a great club saints are prob one of the best junior team in the country to play for but all this homegrown stuff is a bit much. I honestly hope ye win silverware this year so would appreciate not being attacked back being accussed of being bitter etc, on paper saints have best team in tsdl so lets hope they prove this on sunday and start another fai run like last year.
Last edited by balls; 10/12/2010 at 11:44 AM.
if it wasnt for birds and booze id have played for ireland juniors!!!!!
That is without doubt the most conceited post i have ever read on foot.ie.....to state that anyone on this site who goes against st michaels is doing so because he never had the opportunity to play for them,i don't think i have ever posted anything derogatory about st michaels but if i disagreed with something they did i would say so and it would not be because i didnt ever have the "chance" to play for them,a crazy comment
Conceited and St Michael's, I think in some dictionary's they mean the same thing!
Oh its great to be back. I was away putting shoes on reindeer. Is Tom Lewis a genius he played so many games in the summer, a stupid amount, did he predict this cold spell?he must of had so he knew he could call off games, for saints who's manager was away! tom lifted that hat and pedicted the coming weather, tom hats off to you.As for the comment about home grown players?youths doesnt mean home grown so that saints fan should think again. most teams do not have youths teams as the league shows. so some players have to leave their club..saints town etc will sign anyone I mean anyone for success.Is this wrong?well you start to lose the family feel about the clubs and lose local support because of this, plus the youth of these teams leave as these players come from thurles limerick waterford etc. will start before them..have to take chances with these youths at some stage.So as I posted a few weeks back, would it be an idea that clubs should have 2-5 home grown players on their squad of 23 at the start of each season (saints fan, home grown being schoolboys up!), Im curious of what yee think..
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