Ryanair shower

[OneRedArmy]

The Ballykelly incident was an Eirjet A320 flown by Eirjet pilots operating on behalf of Ryanair. Big difference.

[Macy]

The Ballykelly incident was an Eirjet A320 flown by Eirjet pilots operating on behalf of Ryanair. Big difference.

If it was a Ryanair flight, it's no difference. Do they not insist on the same super dooper high safety standards for their subbies?

Funny that people see nearly double the flight times of other pilots as a good thing! Same as increased pressure on staff to turnaround quick - I'd rather they take a bit longer and are under less pressure and do a thorough job. Quick turn arounds do not benefit the consumer, only the company. Ryanair/ O'Leary are like a feckin cult, or maybe it's more like their defenders are like a submissive wife in an abusive relationship who won't leave even though they keep getting hit - he loves me really; it may make travel more uncomfortable and more a pain in the arse but it's for my own benefit...

[Spudulika]

Ryanair are just working along the Reagan/Thatcher model - get as much out of it as possible spending as little as possible. I do know 2 people who've been in Ryanair since Uni (1996) and they've moved well up the ranks from being admin/check in staff. Neither would work anywhere else and yet they wouldn't be half as stressed as others in easier jobs.

You get what you want from Ryanair, I like using them because of their reach, I prefer flag carriers but if I can pay €10 less on a ticket because they're not giving me a meal, so be it. There's always a Burger King of McD's somewhere :-) Though sadly not an Abrakebabra!

[OneRedArmy]

If it was a Ryanair flight, it's no difference. Do they not insist on the same super dooper high safety standards for their subbies?

No, because under the CAA rules the operating carrier has the operating certificate and is singularly accountable for safety. Ryanair had nothing operationally to do with the flight other than selling seats on it.

The Ballykelly incident occured because the Eirjet pilots had the wrong approach charts, which they were responsible for maintaining,and then made human errors on top of that. Nothing at all to do with Ryanair, other than indirect reputational risk.

[John83]

This seems relevant to the discussion. From Cracked:

[Fr Damo]

Ryanair cut flights from Dublin.

O Leary was on with RTE @ 1pm saying the flights were being cut because of the 10 euro travel tax and airport charges imposed by the DAA. Sean O Rourke asked if Michael O Leary actually believed ten quid was stopping people travelling to Ireland, and O leary retored saying it was closer to twenty five. Then S O R asked why so did Ryanair put bag charges up during July and August.

Incidently the flights are going to 850 from 1000 per weak during the winter. Mick was saying the new terminal should go into NAMA as a failed piece of property development. I have to say, went through there last week, about 7pm on a sunday, very quite altogether.

[Dodge]

I have to say, went through their last week, about 7pm on a sunday, very quite altogether.

Will take a while for airlines to move over but its something I thought was badly needed. And een better if it gives the appearance of being quiet (as the other one could be manic).

His spin is very tiresome too. No doubt at all that Ryanair prices have gone up more than 10 in the last 18 months or so (online check in charges alone are that)

[Macy]

Only in Ireland would a piece of infrastructure not being over stretched to the point of collapse be seen as a bad thing!

I don't know anyone who'd be put off by a tenner to be honest - it's spin and excuse making for poor Ryanair sales imo. As Dodge points out, you'd blow more than a tenner on (for practical purposes) unavoidable Ryanair charges such as check in and credit card.

[Fr Damo]

I don't know anyone who'd be put off by a tenner to be honest - it's spin and excuse making for poor Ryanair sales imo. As Dodge points out, you'd blow more than a tenner on (for practical purposes) unavoidable Ryanair charges such as check in and credit card.

That's the point SOR was making - ergo - if the ten quid was harming the tourist trade, doubling the suitcase price in July and August must have nailed it altogether. Mickey O didn't know what to say, just just waffled away and i put on Ray Foley on Today FM!

On a serious note though, (perhaps OT) if the Dublin Airport is going to do 17m passengers against 23m last year, the new infrastructure(T2) is not going to be paid back in the time frame first costed ( I am assuming the Airlines won't pay an increased charge per seat sold to DAA just cos they got it wrong). Expect huge losses next year, and more subvention!!
DAA make it so easy for Shane Ross really.

[Macy]

I heard it before I switched over to the 90's lunchbox, but O'Rourke went for the wrong charge(s). Unfortunately, most people are so in love with O'Leary they actually won't see through it for what it is (there's enough evidence on this thread!).

[Real ale Madrid]

I heard it before I switched over to the 90's lunchbox, but O'Rourke went for the wrong charge(s). Unfortunately, most people are so in love with O'Leary they actually won't see through it for what it is (there's enough evidence on this thread!).

ryanair is a cheap way of getting from a. to b. I don't agree with his arguments all of the time, but I'm not not sure whats to see through ?

Anyway baggage is an optional on most of Ryanair's flights due to the short nature of the majority of his business. Why is this relevant to the 10e tax on flying?

Holland introduced a similar tax 2 years ago which has disasterous consequences for the airline industry, they scrapped it last july as a result.

[brendy_éire]

I don't know anyone who'd be put off by a tenner to be honest - it's spin and excuse making for poor Ryanair sales imo. As Dodge points out, you'd blow more than a tenner on (for practical purposes) unavoidable Ryanair charges such as check in and credit card.

I guarantee ye that people are put off by a tenner. We usually go somewhere once a month, usually with Ryanair, and we usually just pick the cheapest destination. There are loads of people who want to go abroad, but don't necessarily care where to. A extra tenner on an airfare will put them off going to Ireland.
Why not drop the tenner tax? The extra people it brings in will easily generate another tenner in taxes for the State.

For card charges, use neteller.com or another prepaid Mastercard.
And regarding the baggage charges, just don't bring a bag. You don't need one for most trips.

[Dodge]

I guarantee ye that people are put off by a tenner. We usually go somewhere once a month, usually with Ryanair, and we usually just pick the cheapest destination. There are loads of people who want to go abroad, but don't necessarily care where to. A extra tenner on an airfare will put them off going to Ireland.
Why not drop the tenner tax? The extra people it brings in will easily generate another tenner in taxes for the State.

For card charges, use neteller.com or another prepaid Mastercard.
And regarding the baggage charges, just don't bring a bag. You don't need one for most trips.

YOu do need them for some trips though, and I'm not going through all that hassle to book flights. Do you really think the people wo are put off coming to Ireland for a tenner will go through all of this?

[Spudulika]

I think MOL has been going more and more over the top as time has gone on. He has such a hatred for the DAA and government, yet I don't know why he has gone so far right now. He's the great man for free publicity, however he's starting to get a bit old now. I like Ryanair, I like their business model and thinking in many ways, though personal attacks are just a bit too crass.

[OneRedArmy]

I think the Ryanair miracle could hit the skids soon. The whole model is based on constant growth in passenger numbers to offset comparatively low, and falling, average revenue per passenger.

They have effectively stopped growing in UK & Ireland and have been reducing flights for the last 2 years in order to move planes to bases in other areas of Europe that are relatively untouched by low cost carriers. They can't keep doing this forever.

Boeing walked away from them on a deal over new aircraft as they were looking for crazy discounts (once bitten, twice shy as Boeing got stiffed last time they ordered).

They need some kind of external shock like higher oil prices to push a few old-Europe carriers with high cost bases under.

[Fr Damo]

I agree with underlying sentiment ORA, but earlier on I asked if Ryanair was netting better returns on seats as capacity was shortened & prices going up slightly - I'd be interested to know.

I'd wonder too about the strat of going east in persuit of new routes, i.e economies where a ticket on Ryanair is more likly to be a larger portion of someones income than UK and Ireland for example. It was mooted once Ryanir might enter the transatlantic routes, at the upper end , now that would be intersting!

[Macy]

For card charges, use neteller.com or another prepaid Mastercard.
And regarding the baggage charges, just don't bring a bag. You don't need one for most trips.

And check in charges? I said practical with regard to credit card charges (another "benefit" that only saves Ryanair money).

The people put off by a tenner must be a very small and exclusive number of tightarses though, as opposed to normal people going for a weekend away who do enough research to realise that it's barely the equivalent of a couple of drinks in Ireland. Why would you book anything before looking into other costs of a break? I stand by my opinion it's excuse making for falling sales, which ora and fr damo state the case better than I could.

[OneRedArmy]

I agree with underlying sentiment ORA, but earlier on I asked if Ryanair was netting better returns on seats as capacity was shortened & prices going up slightly - I'd be interested to know.

I'd wonder too about the strat of going east in persuit of new routes, i.e economies where a ticket on Ryanair is more likly to be a larger portion of someones income than UK and Ireland for example. It was mooted once Ryanir might enter the transatlantic routes, at the upper end , now that would be intersting!

The problem with transatlantic, and indeed any long-haul, is that the plane isn't just carrying people and bags, its carrying large amounts of fuel which in turn increases weight and increases fuel. How that plays out in terms of costs is that the cost of a 6 hour flight is much higher than the cost of two three hour flights, and more expensive again that three 2 hour flights etc. etc. (ignoring landing fees etc.).

Ryanair makes its money on short flights and short turnarounds, keeping planes in the air 18 hours a day. Nobody to my knowledge has successfully applied the low cost model to long-haul, which requires crew overnighting in hotels, longer loading and unloading etc.