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    Quote Originally Posted by WexCar View Post
    From the FIFA website http://www.fifa.com/associations/ass...untryInfo.html

    We have
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    All Players           421,644 
    Registered players    252,844 
    Unregistered Players  168,800 
    Clubs                 5,828 
    Officials             7,330

    So thats 73 players per club
    Feckin ridiculous, also, what constitutes an "unregistered player"?

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    I wonder when that information on Ireland was published, seem to be way off with the population there. But the biggest shock was that Sligo, Tralee and Donegal were called cities

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    Just did a quick check and for England it comes out as 98 players per club- not a massive difference.

    I'd imagine unregistered players are people who play five a side or any other football that isn't within a recognised league. Guessing at that though.

    Looking at registered players only:

    Ireland has ~43 players per club.
    England has ~35 players per club.

    In general, I think the structure of the game is more of an issue than the number of clubs. The football fraternity is disunited, with most only interested in their own little corner. That includes the LOI, whose attitude to the other levels of the game can often leave a lot to be desired.

    A partnership approach between the different levels of the game as well as a proper football pyramid is vital on both a national and local level, and that's going to involve give as well as take on the part of the senior clubs.
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    The population is off by at least half a million people on that site though.

    Infact, for every country they have it way off on the populations. USA 290 million when it should be 310 million, Scotland 5.5 million when it should be just 5.

    So I'm not sure I'd trust that site, although it would give a general idea. I'm not disagreeing with you Mr A but i still think the number of clubs is still an important issue in this.

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    the number of clubs have no impact what so ever on the growth of our clubs and game it is only the structures and the people within these structures that are the problem.
    to many people only concerned in there own narrow self interest, and that includes me.
    in fairness the fai im told are attempting to address this but i fear they will met stiff resisdence.
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    The Fai need to get their priorties right. If they are serious about creating an environment for professional football I'm afraid they are going to need to commit to more then 5 million euro pa.and less should be going to the rest.

    Sorry for being elitist but thats the way it should be.

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    firstly the fai do not spend 5 mill on the LOI nowhere near it and while the league needs proper marketing, media, etc the league cannot grow in isolation that would only be a short term climb
    .for our league to grow reqires a holistic approach encompassing all the footballing family
    we need people to come out of there trenches and while not seting aside there needs look at how best they can build not just there club but the pyramid that is required
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riddickcule View Post
    The Fai need to get their priorties right. If they are serious about creating an environment for professional football I'm afraid they are going to need to commit to more then 5 million euro pa.and less should be going to the rest.

    Sorry for being elitist but thats the way it should be.
    But why exactly? Their mandate is to promote and nourish the game in this country at all levels, not just the top. And the LOI hasn't exactly done itself any favours down the years, running it is like trying to herd cats on acid.

    And I don't see how reducing the number of junior clubs would in any way help the senior game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr A View Post
    But why exactly? Their mandate is to promote and nourish the game in this country at all levels, not just the top. And the LOI hasn't exactly done itself any favours down the years, running it is like trying to herd cats on acid.

    And I don't see how reducing the number of junior clubs would in any way help the senior game.
    Because far more money then that is required to create a professional environment. Yes I'm aware the FAI have other leagues to worry about but if they can't afford to keep everyone happy then they shouldn't be running the LOI, although other options are restricted.

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    What the hell is this fetish with a pro league? There's no onus on the FAI whatsoever to pour money into the league to make it pro. What exactly would that achieve?

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    Well a professional league can pay proper professional wages to get better players and improve the domestic game, and it's European results.

    You're right though, no onus on the FAI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John83 View Post
    What the hell is this fetish with a pro league? There's no onus on the FAI whatsoever to pour money into the league to make it pro. What exactly would that achieve?
    Are you serious? Just get your coat.

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    ah finnally the we need more money to solve our problems solution ,riddicule this case was made by people far more smarter than you and me and it was flawed then
    and enlighten us
    A why should the fai pay for clubs to be pro
    b. what would this achieve.
    c. are you a bank manager or property developer
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    Wow, just wow.

    I didn't say the FAI should directly pay the clubs to go pro. I'm saying they need to put enough money into the league so that the clubs can go pro without going bust. I said professional environment.

    And another thing, if we don't actually aspire to having a professional league then what are we here for?

    And what would it achieve having a professional league? Answers itself, having a professional league Like most normal countries
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riddickcule View Post
    I didn't say the FAI should directly pay the clubs to go pro. I'm saying they need to put enough money into the league so that the clubs can go pro without going bust. I said professional environment.
    How should they go about doing this? What should they spend the money on?

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    where to begin.. to have a professional league it must be self sustaining the key word there is self which means that the turnover of clubs gates ,sponsorship etc must meet all the expenses wages running costs etc and still have money left over to grow and develop.
    now no amount of money from the fai can make that happen it would help if they were serious about marketing and promoting the League that could be a start but if your local clubs at underage and junior are not part of the process it will untimitaly fail.
    my main point is if clubs like say limerick or monaghan are to ever hope to be professional then they must have the support of all the footbal community in the regions
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    Quote Originally Posted by osarusan View Post
    How should they go about doing this? What should they spend the money on?
    Well I don't know the full detail of the 5 million package. But whatever it is it should be a lot more. Things like marketing, sponsorship etc.

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    Maybe a part-time league would be the best option,and one of the main things that bring people in is big names eg Jay O'Shay.
    Clubs need to put more money into under age and scouting to find more players like this.
    oh boy I'm not good at football forums

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    A part time league isn't going to bring in big names. If the league was professional infact a few of these players such as Jay O'Shea, David Meyler, and Kevin Long wouldn't have been held back because of the LOI being part time.

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    could the fai not just give every club a one off grant that is for only infrastructural use, so everyone could improve facilities, maybe even the fai could oversee the work? i know off=topic a bit but its a simple but effective idea methinks, theres always money thereto do these kind of thinks if they really wanted to do it, they would also come out looking really good for doing it,

    sorry i don't live in the real world, i'm like a banker or teacher...

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