Surprised there hasn't been a thread on this, opinions? I have to admit to not being as clued-in on Bruton as I should be, but I get the impression he'd be the right guy to have at the helm right now - particularly in coalition with Labour. Plus of course the pig that Biffo f*cks would be better qualified to run the party than Kenny...
I mean at the helm of the country btw, not just the party. I'd be very surprised if Labour held their lead, and I'm not a big fan of Gilmore.
Last edited by dahamsta; 14/06/2010 at 1:43 PM.
At least Bruton is intellectual. Its about time we had someone who is in the running to lead the country on their intellectual horsepower rather than a fixer (aka cute hoor).
FG are done if they don't get rid of Kenny tomorrow.
Labour will only hold strong if the economy continues to weaken.
Have to agree with you about Kenny. FF'ers are probably delighted that the spot light is off them for a few days. FG are done for if Kenny stays
Joe Mo Fo Duffy held a straw poll this aft and there was far more support among FG ranks for Kenny(of those who called in ) than the perception. Personally, It's time for Kenny to go but I dunno if tomorrow is the best time. I also reconginse that if he doesn't go tomorrow he won't go for a while more. As some wrote this morning, it could yet make him, as he comes out fighting with nothing to lose. I however, doubt it.
I also think labour would have gained more under Rabbitte than Gilmore recently, and cannot see their "popularity" turning in to anything at election time. (mores the pity)
Was there not a heave against Kenny about a year ago? After he survived that FG claimed that was the leadership issue settled until the next election....
It seems mad that FG are totally panicking at the first sign of a bad poll result. Kenny may not have much charisma, but he has lead them back from the doldrums to a very good position to lead the next government. I do like Richard Bruton, but I'd nearly prefer him in finance to the leader role. FG really seem to have lost the plot recently - their outbursts about the idea of the Euro zone having an input on budgets seemed crazy and left them open to allegations that they supported Lisbon etc without really understanding them.
Meanwhile Labour I think are doing a good job of portraying FF/FG as tweedle dum and tweedle dee and generally keeping the heads down except to boot the government from time to time.
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Actually Kenny has plenty of charisma, I've seen him speak in person and he can definitely hold his own. The only problem is that what he comes out with is complete waffle, most of it plain-jane kneejerk garbage. He hasn't the brains to come up with policies of his own, and he hasn't the gumption to implement other people's.
I blame Gilmore almost exclusively for the garbage they come out with these days. He's completely trashed the philosophies of a party that was already confused. Labour needs to swing back to the left, hard, and now is is the perfect time to do it. It won't happen with those poll numbers though. No-one there has the balls to say that the lead is a result of the recession, and not Gilmore's leadership.
R Bruton sacked as deaputy leader so that he cannot table a no confidence vote. Kenny is as bad as Cowan...... head into sand.
This is political suicide by FG. Absolute madness. I can't see Kenny surviving this, and if he does he will be without his star front bench performer.
As for Bruton- he may gain the leadership but the party will remain most likely remain divided as Kenny took them a long way. From an FG perspective they probably need Kenny to step aside quietly, as a battle could be very damaging.
FF must be laughing their arses off at this. And probably wishing Lenihen wasn't sick so that he could try the same trick.
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I imagine Kenny thinks "hard man" tactics will win out, but I don't think those words mean what he thinks they mean...
Last throw of the dice by Inda. He's gambling that without Bruton to raise the motion not enough will be brave enough to vote against him.
They should've got rid of him after he failed to win a wide open election last time out. FF were on their knees and nobody took advantage.Originally Posted by Mr A
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He won back the 20 seats they lost at the '02 election. Fair enough, he didn't win the election, but with the electorate settling for what they knew rather than what was best for them, winning it was always going to be a tall order.
There are many other FG leaders who didn't win elections in the past 35 years. As it is today, Kenny is the only leader from the last election still standing. He should lead them into 2012, but stand down if he fails. If FG can't win it then, they never will.
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Kenny couldn't lead a dog. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I heard Bruton on with RTE last night driving home and he was asked what next if the no confidence vote doesn't get going? He hadn't an answer, and waffled away about it will happen.
Also it was put to him that his brief is economics because that's all he knows and doesn't understand the wider issues. He didn't make a good job at that either tbh. Maybe Kenny is the best of a bad lot?
Having said that Leo Varidkar and Dr O Reilly seem like intelligent and articulate TDs who could be put to better use with more/better leadership??
FF are laughing..... again. If kenny does survive he has just got rid of the person who gets more TV time than anyone else in his party.
Kenny should've been knifed long ago, but my money would be on Hayes rather than Bruton. Bruton actually isn't that much better at selling a message, and hasn't that much political nous if he chose this timing. They'd tabled a motion of no confidence in Cowen, and the establishment were panicing about Labour and coming out with the "no policies" nonsense as if it was fact, and FG leadership dominates the news!
I disagree with Adam on Gilmore, but regardless, Labour are the opposition now if they can stay out of the FG infighting. Like I said, the focus looked liked being on the supposed lack of labour policies and it turned into the will he won't he Bruton show.
Someone said Labour would be doing better with Rabitte - I'm not sure about that, I always liked him but he was a bit devisive. Shows the advantage of a bloodless coup that both him and Quinn are still on the front bench.
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Kenny walking into the shadow cabinet and walking back out again after stating that he'd let it go to the parliamentary party was a weaselly last effort. Telling the Pigf*cker in the Dáil than he should have done the honourable thing and resign* nearly made me crash the car on the way home for laughing. He's priceless is Kenny. And he's dead in the water.
My concern now is that Coveney hold tough. He's been patient for a while now but he's obviously itching to go, and holding off on a pledge of support for Bruton will just make him look petty and vindictive. He needs to hold off another 5 years or so before launching an all out campaign imho.
I couldn't say Labour would be doing better under Rabitte, but I do think they'd be more credible. As someone pointed out the other day, they're doing magnificently in the polls for absolutely no reason: no policies, no nothing, just FG-style kneejerk opposition.
* Apparently it was "If you had any integrity you would already have resigned." I'm tempted to do one of those inspirational posters with this, for Hypocrisy, or Irony.
Last edited by dahamsta; 15/06/2010 at 8:38 PM.
I don't trust any of the yokes who stepped off the front bench. Only on Monday morning Leo Varadkar was on the radio spouting on his undying love for Enda and how he was the man to move the country forward ni matter what. 24 hours later and he's walking out and last night completely contradicted himself. It was almost a complete set up, FG meltdown as they call for no-confidence in Biffo! And it's Eoghan Harris' greatest wet dream. It's probably a simple thing and anyhone who's seen Yes, Minister will know exactly how it goes. Somebody says, in an op-ed piece, "Wouldn't Bruton be great as Taoiseach" and he can't deny it as it would preclude him from any future run at the job and also he doesn't know if it's fully true, and all politicos are blessed with massive amounts of ego - Bruton especially, and he figures, I'll say nothing and see what happens. Enda calls him in, asks him if it's true that he's plotting, he says no (probably) and is tolf to make a public statement - which he can't as it'd show he has no ambition or bottle - so he gets the boot.
It just buys more time for FF, and it's time they shouldn't have been allowed. FG chickened out of going into government last time out, rightly so, and the economy imploded, but now is the time to step up!
I don't recall exactly where I read or heard it, but apparently one of the reasons for the split between Kenny and Bruton was that a press release was put out in the latter's name about the peer review idea for budgets within the euro zone that Bruton had not agreed with or approved. It does go some way to explaining the timing.
I think the writing is on the wall for Kenny at this stage, but the real beneficiaries of all this could well be Labour.
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Was that not a release about the banking reports? Or maybe I got mixed up? Does explain it.
I think the main beneficiaries are FF. I was listening to an episode of "what if" today, on Pee Flynn's Late Late Show admission. And when they tracked through all the scandals that hit FF since 1999, there is no way in the world, in any functioning democracy, that a political party with such filth attached to it would survive. So many have brassed it out, Calelly being one, and been rewarded - include BC Flynn, and the party still clings to power. Bertie has a magic safe, an inability to open a bank account (despite being Finance Minister) and he's still elected and respected. It just boggles the mind.
Looks like the tide has turned against Dame Enda, but I don't fancy Bruton leading the country with a likes of Varadkar and Mitchell there too.
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