FAI object to Kierans as Drogs manager

**osarusan** · 11/06/2010, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by ndrog

How was foster allowed to manage galway with the same qualifications as darius ? How is foster being allowed to manage in europe without the proper qualifications ?

As I understand it, without the correct licence, a manager can only act as a caretaker manager, and for a period of no longer than 12 weeks. Now, I'm very much open to correction on that.

How long was Foster managing for before he got his licence? Did he manage to get it before the 12-week period expired?

Going by the OP above, Kierans won't have finished the course within 12 weeks, as it says he'll have the licence by October.

**pineapple stu** · 11/06/2010, 12:19 PM

Foster was managing Galway all of last year. I think when the European problem came about, it was fixed by him saying he was booked on the course, so in fairness to Drogheda, there does seem to be some inequality there. Now maybe the rules got tightened up in pre-season, I don't know.

**osarusan** · 11/06/2010, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Foster was managing Galway all of last year. I think when the European problem came about, it was fixed by him saying he was booked on the course, so in fairness to Drogheda, there does seem to be some inequality there. Now maybe the rules got tightened up in pre-season, I don't know.

Fair enough, if that is correct, then there would seem to be a precedent.

Though I was actually asking how long Foster was managing before he got his licence? Did he get it at all?

**pineapple stu** · 11/06/2010, 12:23 PM

He started managing March last year. He hasn't gotten an A Licence yet; he's only booked on a course. I think he's due to have it gotten by the European campaign (which starts next month).

**dong** · 11/06/2010, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by gspain

Considering Dundalk were top of the league until last Tuesday night I think they may have other things on their mind rather than worrying about relegation.

Wow...
I can't believe you said that.

**Longfordian** · 11/06/2010, 12:53 PM

I've a feeling the rules were tightened pre-season or rather this season was a deadline by which the managers had to have the A Licence. One of the reasons Gareth Cronin left us was that he didn't have the A Licence that he needed and wanted the club to pay for him to do it. And pay his loss of earnings from his job too.

**Dodge** · 11/06/2010, 1:28 PM

Think thats it Longford. The FAI gave certain derogations because didn't provide the appropriate course. They do now, so they're (rightly) less lenient.

Drogheda, in my opinion, don't have a leg to stand on

(and I take Windmill's point on board that it could all be just press bluffer).

**Ezeikial** · 11/06/2010, 1:54 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

He started managing March last year. He hasn't gotten an A Licence yet; he's only booked on a course. I think he's due to have it gotten by the European campaign (which starts next month).

Ian Foster completed his A license course earlier this year.

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Foster was managing Galway all of last year. I think when the European problem came about, it was fixed by him saying he was booked on the course, so in fairness to Drogheda, there does seem to be some inequality there. Now maybe the rules got tightened up in pre-season, I don't know.

The European requirements are for a Pro-license. UEFA currently require that a manager has commenced the Pro-license course (rather then just being booked on one) to compete in European Club competitions. Ian Foster has commenced his Pro license course with the English FA

My understanding is that the FAI rules require all premier managers for 2011 to hold a Pro-license. Perhaps this is the root of the current reported stance on Darius Kierans - while he appears to have commenced his A license (and technically meets a similar level of compliance to the standards set by UEFA) it may be that it is not possible for him to meet next seasons requirements, and that is influencing the FAI's interpretation of the current regulations.

Because regulations on standards are constantly tightening, quoting past precedents may not be relevant.

**Ciaran W** · 11/06/2010, 2:24 PM

Does this mean he cant manage drogheda or will he have to do a course over the break ? I couldn't be bothered reading all the posts.

**prince20** · 11/06/2010, 3:31 PM

Originally Posted by Ciaran W

Does this mean he cant manage drogheda or will he have to do a course over the break ? I couldn't be bothered reading all the posts.

No offence meant but if you couldnt be bothered reading the post why comment?

**Ciaran W** · 11/06/2010, 3:39 PM

Because im sure the answer to my question is somewhere in all them posts im just not bothered to read them all

**pineapple stu** · 11/06/2010, 3:57 PM

It's 30 posts; just read them. You're only annoying everyone else.

**Schumi** · 11/06/2010, 4:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ciaran W

Does this mean he cant manage drogheda or will he have to do a course over the break ? I couldn't be bothered reading all the posts.

I couldn't be bothered answering.

**Battery Rover** · 11/06/2010, 4:58 PM

Full criteria for managers is available http://www.fai.ie/images/stories/201...ing_Manual.pdf on page 74 and for assistant managers on page 75

**thischarmingman** · 11/06/2010, 6:08 PM

Originally Posted by blue til i die

The FAI are objecting to the appointment on the basis that he does not hold this UEFA 'A' License - deemed necessary to manage a senior football side in the Airtricity League.

*Cringe*

I love the phrase 'this A Licence:' as if the statement was written by a man at a bar who's just had a two-minute run-down on LOI licensing criteria.

**Ezeikial** · 11/06/2010, 8:36 PM

Originally Posted by Battery Rover

Full criteria for managers is available http://www.fai.ie/images/stories/201...ing_Manual.pdf on page 74 and for assistant managers on page 75

The regulations are very clear, and hardly open to interpretation!

Premier Division Manager must hold an A-license (or Pro-License)

Assistant Manager at Premier level or Manager at First Division level is ok if A-license course is commenced - and that is where Darius Kierans is at.

It seems that Drogheda are going to have to appoint someone else, with minimum of A-license until the end of the season.

**Dodge** · 11/06/2010, 9:01 PM

Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Assistant Manager at Premier level or Manager at First Division level is ok if A-license course is commenced - and that is where Darius Kierans is at.

It seems that Drogheda are going to have to appoint someone else, with minimum of A-license until the end of the season.

Or get immediately relegated

**Ezeikial** · 11/06/2010, 9:06 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Or get immediately relegated

I can assure you Dodge, I was tempted to mention that, but displayed remarkable restraint!!!!!!!!

Maybe Darius will get to manage the Drogs next year after all (even if Pro License is the 2011 PD requirement)

**Acornvilla** · 12/06/2010, 3:57 PM

Could they not just carry on for the rest of the season without a manager with Darius being assistant/caretaker?

**Battery Rover** · 12/06/2010, 7:52 PM

Originally Posted by Acornvilla

Could they not just carry on for the rest of the season without a manager with Darius being assistant/caretaker?

No cant be done as there is a duty of notification of significant changes and duty of replacement within 4 weeks. Page 83 PAD 4.01 and PAD 4.02 in the liscensing manual linked to in this thread,