U19 squad named for Elite qualifiers

**Charlie Darwin** · 28/05/2010, 3:38 PM

Originally Posted by joe_denilson

Looks like 4-5-1 to me but maybe they've pushed Brady forward.

Looks like Brady was the one doing the pushing.

7 minutes left.

**geysir** · 28/05/2010, 3:44 PM

Hanley the goalie was shown a yellow card.
No prizes for guessing for what.

**Closed Account** · 28/05/2010, 3:44 PM

Nail biting stuff. Hanley booked (probably for time wasting). 4 LOI players in starting line up.

Edit:
Ah ****...
Its only the group winners that go through.... So what happens if we beat Bosnia, and Ukraine beat England.
3 teams on 6 points, all beaten each other. Goal difference?
At the moment
Ireland 0
England +5
Ukraine +2
If Ukraine win by 1 or 2, we have to win by 4 or more so.

Second Edit:
Presumably have to score 4 or more without Robbie Brady.

Excellent Result all the same, credit to them.

**Charlie Darwin** · 28/05/2010, 3:50 PM

It's over. Ireland win 1-0.

**eL Bettor** · 28/05/2010, 3:52 PM

Excellent result for Ireland

**geysir** · 28/05/2010, 3:54 PM

5 minutes added on time

Very good result. Down to the wire now.

**TrapAPony** · 28/05/2010, 3:56 PM

Great win for the lads.

**tetsujin1979** · 28/05/2010, 4:10 PM

excellent win, but the result on tuesday will probably cost them qualification

**tetsujin1979** · 29/05/2010, 1:33 PM

Current standing in group 3:

Code:

                       P  W D L F A GD Pts
 1 England             2  2 0 0 5 0  5   6
 2 Republic of Ireland 2  1 0 1 1 1  0   3
 3 Ukraine             2  1 0 1 4 2  2   3
 4 Bosnia-Herzegovina  2  0 0 2 1 8 -7   0

From the official rules of the competition - http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/...3_DOWNLOAD.pdf

Equality of points at mini-tournaments
6.09 If two or more teams are equal on points on completion of the group matches, the following criteria are applied to determine the ranking of the teams in question:
a) Higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question.
b) Superior goal difference resulting from the group matches played among the teams in question.
c) Higher number of goals scored in the group matches played among the teams in question.
d) If, after having applied criteria a) to c), two teams still have an equal ranking, criteria a) to c) will be reapplied to determine the ranking of the two teams.
If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria e) and f) will apply.
e) Results of all group matches:
1. Superior goal difference.
2. Higher number of goals scored.
f) Drawing of lots.

So we hope Ukraine (who are still in with a chance of qualifying) beat England and beat Bosnia by 4 goals more than the Ukraine to finish with a better goal difference than the Ukraine or England
e.g. Ukraine beat England 1-0, we need to beat Bosnia 5-0
Ukraine beat England 2-0, we need to beat Bosnia 6-0, etc

**geysir** · 29/05/2010, 4:15 PM

Good work Tets

e.g. Ukraine beat England 1-0, we need to beat Bosnia 5-0
Ukraine beat England 2-0, we need to beat Bosnia 6-0, etc

But you have to read 6.09b again.
b) Superior goal difference resulting from the group matches played among the teams in question.

at least by my understanding .
What we score against Bosnia is irrelevant, they are not one of the "teams in question".

**Charlie Darwin** · 29/05/2010, 4:28 PM

The way I'm reading it, the only way we can qualify is to beat Bosnia by 5 or more and for Ukraine to win 1-0 against England (any other result will see us out).

**geysir** · 29/05/2010, 4:34 PM

And if Ukraine win by 2 they are through

**Schumi** · 29/05/2010, 4:39 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

b) Superior goal difference resulting from the group matches played among the teams in question.

at least by my understanding .
What we score against Bosnia is irrelevant, they are not one of the "teams in question".

If Ukraine beat England 1-0, the goal difference and goals scored between the three teams will be the same and we'll have to win by 4 goals against Bosnia to get through. Any other result between England and Ukraine and we're out.

edit: Ukraine 1-0 England and Ireland 4-0 Bosnia will have us drawing lots with England I think.

**Charlie Darwin** · 29/05/2010, 4:48 PM

Originally Posted by Schumi

edit: Ukraine 1-0 England and Ireland 4-0 Bosnia will have us drawing lots with England I think.

England would qualify based on their result against us.

**Closed Account** · 29/05/2010, 5:17 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

England would qualify based on their result against us.

No, thats null and void after Criteria a). Going down to the list of criteria, tets had it almost right.(Ukraine 2-0, Ireland 6-0 wouldn't work, Ukraine through on most goals, criteria c))
If Ukraine win 1-0, then we would get to criteria e).
1. Goal Difference: England 4, Ukraine 3, Ireland? (if we win by 5 then we're through. Win by 4? Who knows? Does it go to the next criteria, including or excluding Ukraine?)
2. Higher number of goals scored: England 5, Ukraine 5. Ireland 5(assuming we get to this stage). Then it goes to the next stage.
3. Drawing of lots. (Probably just ourselves and England)
In all likelihood, the only minute possibility is a 1-0, 5-0 combo(4-0 would lead to drawing of lots), as we can't affect criteria a to d at this stage so have to win on goal difference.

Strange how they can make it so complicated yet it could all come down to goal difference in the end.

**Charlie Darwin** · 29/05/2010, 5:27 PM

You're right, actually - I thought overall goal difference had been applied before (d).

It seems a bit illogical. If England, Ukraine and ourselves are locked on goal difference, (a) to (c) are applied. If Ukraine are then eliminated on overall results, why don't they just reapply (a) for the two remaining teams instead of drawing lots?

**geysir** · 29/05/2010, 8:15 PM

Mary Poppins would have brought us back to A.

Should it be a 1 nil victory for Ukraine, they would be eliminated at the E1 goal difference stage.

I"d prefer drawing lots with England than going back to A

Never look back.

What are the odds, 500/1?
a Ukraine 1 nil victory.
Us to win by 4.
Evens on the short straw.

**tetsujin1979** · 30/05/2010, 12:29 PM

had a look on fai.ie to see if there was anything about the permutations and combinations of the final games
from the review of the U19 game: http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=c...id=4&Itemid=12

In today's other game, England shrugged off the challenge of Bosnia & Herzegovina in a 4-0 victory which sends them top of the table with six points from two games. That result means that Ireland must now rely on Ukraine to defeat England by a single goal in the final game and they themselves must defeat Bosnia & Herzegovina by more than four goals to secure their passage to the UEFA Championship finals in France this summer.

Brady seems to have been one of the main goal threats in the two games, can we get 4 without him?

**The Fly** · 30/05/2010, 2:36 PM

Whatever happens, it's great to have prospects like Robert Brady, Conor Clifford and Conor Henderson in the youth setup.

It certainly bodes well for the future!