QuoteThe FAI isn't the best option.
It's the ONLY option.
I doubt if there will be a club in the land objecting.
On an aside, that Junior Council statement is of course predictably laughable.
I could do a better job of running the league.Originally Posted by Dodge
Thank you, those 14 words are music to my ears. Thats what everyone needs to realise, the public don't get the LOI, therefore the LOI needs to go. Sorry, but its true.
Last edited by dahamsta; 26/05/2010 at 10:08 PM.
The FAI isn't the best option.
It's the ONLY option.
I doubt if there will be a club in the land objecting.
On an aside, that Junior Council statement is of course predictably laughable.
*sigh* this again.
The public dn't get ANYTHING bar English football. There's nothing you can do to change that.
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If we are serious about trying to show the clubs that the fans support Limerick, then you could for 1 weekend boycot all other games, BUT everyone go to whatever (home!) Limerick game is on that weekend instead - shows solidarity & gives the club in question a financial boost too.
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The FAI couldn't give a monkey's if the league's grounds are empty. All they really care about is holding onto power and not having bad media. A boycott would only hurt the clubs and do nothing to the FAI.
I think I agree that the FAI is the way forward for the league; the problem is that Delaney's in charge, and he's a complete moron. So you're now looking at working out how to bring about a guy's resignation - that's pretty much the only satisfactory solution to this particular problem (and there's lots of other problems in the league obviously). Ousting someone from power is surprisingly hard to do. Look at Glazer for a football example - survived one fan buy-out, and seemingly in a strong position to survive a second one, all while he lumbers the club with massive debt. Plenty of other political examples.
(Another solution is to try work with the FAI, but that's been tried to an extent and failed because (a) the FAI will sit down, pretend to be interested, listen to everything you have to say and then do whatever they want, but back it up by saying they worked with the fans in coming to the solution, and (b) it takes a lot of co-ordination among fans, which is hard because of geographical dispertion, not having the time because of being involved at club level and the general Irish trait, as you pointed out, of saying things would be great but stoping short of getting involved).
The other problem, of course, is that LoI fans are a minority in our own country, and barstool fans don't care about Delaney; he can do what he wants to the league so long as Man U keep on winning.
Last edited by pineapple stu; 27/05/2010 at 10:03 AM.
Why don't you think so? What other options are there?
The FAI screws up an awful lot, but clubs running themselves screw up a lot more.
And screw my own club? My club didnt make this decision, why would I punish them financially for it. Clubs budgets are tight, boycotting your own club will only hurt them, not the FAI
Thanks for the idea, but it would hurt other clubs financially, and the only people who would notice are the people who already know what the FAI are.
I'd agree with Stu that the only way to make them notice is a lot of bad publicity. Without showing the FAI that the LOI (or the LOI fans at least) can make life tough for them, the LOI is in no position to negotiate anything.
I think that a few thousand copies of a pamphlet, maybe even translated into a few languages, containing some legitimate gripes (FAI looking to switchBohs' European tie, Limerick vs Barcelona friendly for example) about the FAI being handed out to fans and press, if possible, before the Airtricity XI vs Man. United fixture would help, with more handouts and protests to come at the Europa final in Dublin next year, might have an effect.
The press release from the Provincial associations was prompted and scripted by the man from del monte. The knives will be out again this time and he is out to hold onto power whatever the cost to soccer in this country and he has his own self appointed board of control full of lackeys who only care about power and perks to do his dirty work.
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Now that's a solid idea (even if it won't actually bring about Delaney's resignation, cos all he has to do is ignore it and enforce tighter security controls for the next game. Or even, as they read this site, at the Man U game. But the cat's out of the bag now; we can but try).
Wouldn't bother with the translations, to be honest - I don't think there's that much interest among the immigrant community (they tend to keep supporting their team at home - look at the amount of Poles at the friendly in Croker last year for example).
With regards text, what would go in?
> FAI blocking Barca friendly
> Moving Bohs' game (as per osarusan)
> Licencing messes?
> Don't think there'd be a point complaining about Man U in Lansdowne at that game, to be honest. You'd lose too much goodwill.
> Challenging Daniel McDonnell
> Anything Fran Gavin has ever said (specific examples?)
All of these points should be rebutted rather than just stated - there should be a conclusive reason why the FAI have screwed up. It should also have a point rather than just "The FAI have done these things badly - boo". Calilng for Delaney to resign is the obvious one, I suppose.
Following from that, let's make this thread like the "continue the story thread" - if everyone chips in a bit of text, it can be amended and grow to a final leaflet.
Surely the only place to hand them out would be outside the ground, where the FAI can't do anything about it.
I originally had the idea for the Europe league final and visiting fans, hence the translations. A basic wesbite containing further info and links on the stuff highlighted in the handout would be good. (Links to McDonnell's articles, for example.)
It's not so much (for me at least) about bringing about resignations as it is showing the FAI that the LOI can make life awkward for them, and that
treating clubs like crap is something that we can and will make known to the world outside an apathetic Irish public.
Causing them embarrassment among a wider audience (UEFA, for example) might make them sit up and listen.
Last edited by osarusan; 27/05/2010 at 10:23 AM.
I think the most interesting thing about the latest press release is that it seems to indicate a belief that Delaney's position may be under threat. Otherwise- why bother bringing the spotlight on to such an embarrassing affair again, it wouldn't make any sense?
Not that making sense seems to matter much!
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Who said anything about the FAI? You're cherrypicking stu, read the full post.
The other person that responded did the same thing. Suggesting that the FAI in it's current format isn't working is not the same as suggesting that the FAI should be binned. If you read the rest of my post, I use the phrase "Delaney and his cronies". That should be a hint about my thoughts on the problem to anyone that's actually paying attention.
Again, stop cherrypicking people's posts and/or reading between the lines before responding, it's an incredibly poor way of debating and it's what causes 90% of the flame wars on Foot.ie.
And again, for the fourth time now, I'm not putting forward real solutions, I'm just "blueskying". I don't have the answers and I know I don't have them. What's frustrating me is that, up until the last few posts at least, people weren't trying to come up with solutions, they were just bitching about it in the standard Irish way. If ye just want something to bitch about, they continue as-is. If ye want it to change, then bitching isn't the way to go about it. It solved absolutely nothing.
Last edited by dahamsta; 27/05/2010 at 11:46 AM.
Sorry - Delaney and his cronies couldn't give a monkey's etc etc.
They're kind of one and the same; easy to interchange them. No-one else in there has a mind of their own worth talking about.
FAI can't win can they. They get attacked for years because they have no stadium and now when on behalf of Irish football they get a share in a world class stadium at last, it's called a "white elephant of a building". What did you want ? To be gifted a stadium? Damned if you do, damned if you don't .
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
As Stu said, the FAI and Delaney and his cronies are the same thing. It's an old boys club where they give each other contracts. Ideally it wouldn't be like that, but that is the reality.
The people 'bitching' didn't have solutions either, like yourself. There's nothing wrong with venting against a decision you disagree with, even if you don't have a solution to a problem.
If people only posted about things they had the answer too, or could do something about, internet forums wouldn't last very long at all.
Now if you do have a solution(e.g. voting another party into government rather than just giving out), and still just bitch rather than doing something, that's a different situation. However Id guess most people on this thread fall into the first camp.
Actually the new stadium has the potential to be a massive negitive factor on the Irish game if it sucks up all available resources (thus depriving clubs of funds/fund raising oppurtunites - Limerick already an example).
Back on thread, Would agree on need for practical solutions but dont think getting Delaney out is achievable, and attempting to do so could easily backfire (as seen with junior crowd). Similarly boycotting matches is cutting off our noses to spite our faces as our clubs would be the losers.
A leaflet/circular idea does have some merit is trying to change the attitude of the FAI towards our League but dont expect the media (all baying for accreditation to the shiny new stadium) to be of any assistance. It would be hard work with little prospect of victory for those involved but seems the best suggestion todate.
It's funny that most people on here hate the Fai but would still want them to ruin our league..makes no sense.
And before anyone says theres no other option, there is. Private Company ftw!
What??
Who??
When??
Where??
How??
Etc
People have no problem with the FAI as a whole, everybody would just prefer if someone else was in charge of the FAI.
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