Joseph Ndo

**Dodge** · 08/04/2010, 9:03 PM

Article in todays Irish Daily MAil (not online apparently) that Sligo's application for a work permit for Ndo has been complicated by the fact that according to records his last employer was St Patrick's Athletic

Any Bohs fans think there's any truth in this? I mean if he was ineligible, they'd have to be docked 3 points for every game he played. Wonder would Shamrock Rovers be affected for his period on loan?

I'd like to think that the FAI checked for this (as they must provide a letter to the Clubs applying for the work permit) but who can be sure of anything?

EDIT; Thanks to a Bohs fan who typed this up for their board

JOSEPH Ndo could face imprisonment for unwittingly playing in the League of Ireland without a valid work permit — and the midfielder's former club, Bohemians, could be fined for a breach of the Employment Permits Act.

Ndo, 33, played for Bohs last season when his work permit, which runs until February 2011, stated that St Patrick's Athletic, his previous club, were his legal employers. According to the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment 'all employment permits issued are employer and location specific and are only valid for the employer and in the occupation named on the permit'. By playing for Bohs last season when permitted only to pay for St Pat's, the Cameroon midfielder could be open to prosecution under Section 19 of the 2006 Act which carries penalties of a 12-month sentence and a 5,000 fine. Ndo's permit problem surfaced when Sligo Rovers went to register him as their player for the 2010 season.

Under a new League rule, all non-EEA nationals must produce a valid work permit to play in the competition this season. Ironically, had the League decided no work permit was required, Ndo could probably have played for Sligo without anyone's antennae getting twitchy in the Department. As it is, by bringing in what they call best practice, the League risks losing one of its best midfielders. PFAI chief Stephen McGuinness last night called for League clubs and the FAI to rally around Ndo's cause.

'The League needs players like Joseph Ndo. He's a fantastic professional and there has to be a way to resolve this,' he added.

Hope mods don't mind the full article but can't reference it any other way...

**Longfordian** · 08/04/2010, 9:42 PM

When did the League rule officially requiring a work permit come in? Article says it's a new rule?. Amateurish stuff from Bohs that they didn't check that out tbh. It would be a pity if Sligo and Ndo suffered as a result

**Dodge** · 08/04/2010, 9:48 PM

Regardless of the league rule (and I wasn't aware of any changes this season)

bohs couldn't legally employ him without a work permit, so his Standard Playing contract would be null & void, meaning his registration couldn't be completed

I'll stress again that this is from the Daily Mail but it seems to have been confirmed by that McGuinness quote

TBH I wouldn't have too much sympathy if it turns out Bohs didn't do everything by the book

**peadar1987** · 08/04/2010, 9:49 PM

Bohs shouldn't be docked points, seeing as he was only employed as a barman.

**SkStu** · 08/04/2010, 9:52 PM

I mean if he was ineligible, they'd have to be docked 3 points for every game he played. Wonder would Shamrock Rovers be affected for his period on loan?

Under a new League rule, all non-EEA nationals must produce a valid work permit to play in the competition this season.

the FAI cannot retrospectively dock us points for a rule they only introduced this season.

If we get fined for breaching the act, then we get fined for breaching the act. In my opinion, this will only impact us if the Department decides to pursue legal action against Ndo and Bohs.

**Dodge** · 08/04/2010, 9:57 PM

See above SkStu (and the Chris Turner case). If he wasn't allowed by employed by Bohs, his contract was null & void and his registration was therefore null & void

The need for a work permit is not new

**SkStu** · 08/04/2010, 9:59 PM

the rule is new Dodge.

I firmly believe we will not be docked ANY points for this. Nor will Rovers, if it applies to loan moves.

**Dodge** · 08/04/2010, 10:03 PM

The rule is superceded by the law. He can't sign a contract because he can't be employed.

**SkStu** · 08/04/2010, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

The rule is superceded by the law. He can't sign a contract because he can't be employed.

but he did sign a contract. Only this season has a valid work permit been required by the FAI. Theyre not going to dock points from (possibly Shels depending when his WP was granted) Rovers and us because Joseph Ndo was in breach of the law and it took them until his 3rd (possibly 4th) club to catch it.

What about his spells with Shelbourne and Rovers - do you think the FAI are going to go back and revise all the relevant results over the previous x number of seasons? Dream on.

**Dodge** · 08/04/2010, 10:24 PM

Why am I dreaming? Pats have nothing to gain. You think I want a league handed to Rovers ffs?!

But regardless of how many clubs are involved; every company who employs a citizen from outside the EEA needs to obtain a work permit for him/her. To obtain this in football, the FAI must provide a letter to the Dept of Enterprise, Trade & Employment

without the work permit, the employee is working illegally

As above if Bohs had one for him then it's not an issue. If, however, they were playing a footballer who couldn't be employed by them, then they should be punished with points deductions for each game he played. (You'll note the italics)

Trust me, as a Pats fan, pleading ignorence gets you nowhere

EDit; Here's the official guidelines for work permits http://www.entemp.ie/labour/workperm...fessionals.htm

**dublinred** · 08/04/2010, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Why am I dreaming? Pats have nothing to gain. You think I want a league handed to Rovers ffs?!

But regardless of how many clubs are involved; every company who employs a citizen from outside the EEA needs to obtain a work permit for him/her. To obtain this in football, the FAI must provide a letter to the Dept of Enterprise, Trade & Employment

without the work permit, the employee is working illegally

As above if Bohs had one for him then it's not an issue. If, however, they were playing a footballer who couldn't be employed by them, then they should be punished with points deductions for each game he played.

Trust me, as a Pats fan, pleading ignorence gets you nowhere

EDit; Here's the official guidelines for work permits http://www.entemp.ie/labour/workperm...fessionals.htm

Heard this last week via sligored on april 1st thought it was a wind-up , europe still on the horizon for us if bohs get the points deduction , can of worms but realistically cant see anything happening bohs as FAI probably sanctioned the transfer.

**DRDoc** · 08/04/2010, 10:39 PM

Dodge seems to be on a crusade

**danthesaint** · 08/04/2010, 10:42 PM

ya never know dodge, heres hoping they get the points deduction and we win the league on a technicality.

**Dodge** · 08/04/2010, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by DRDoc

Dodge seems to be on a crusade

Not really. As I said Pats would have nothing to gain from it. Posted initially looking for confirmation from Bohs fans. Seems some of them (elsewhere and here) have no clue about employment legislation. No harm in informing people

Have said all along that the Daily mail might be wrong, and he might have been legit.

**Réiteoir** · 08/04/2010, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by DRDoc

Dodge seems to be on a crusade

Maybe they can pass Bohs on their rubber medals they've got

**Ezeikial** · 08/04/2010, 10:50 PM

This is clearly a cast-iron case for Sean Connors red card in the opening match of last season to be rescinded.

BTW why is Seanie no longer blamed for everything from global warming to the price of the pint? Foot.ie posters are gone soft!!

**kdjaC** · 08/04/2010, 10:52 PM

His 1st permitwas for 3 years, when he was with shels they used the permit he got with pats.

Shels never applied for a permit for him until our one ran out. Seems strange you need to get a new permit if your still paying PRSI/TAX ie work change rather than when it runs out.

fairly sure he has permits and actually doesnt need them as he can be an irish national having worked/lived in ireland for 6 of the last 8 years.

**Dodge** · 08/04/2010, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by kdjaC

His 1st permitwas for 3 years, when he was with shels they used the permit he got with pats.

Shels never applied for a permit for him until our one ran out. Seems strange you need to get a new permit if your still paying PRSI/TAX ie change rather than when it runs out.

I can absolutely guarentee you his first one wasn't for three years (as first time applicants are never giving more than one year)

The permit is to the Employer, not the Employee.

**Longfordian** · 08/04/2010, 11:03 PM

Not that Dodge needs backing up but once you change employers you absolutely need a new work permit and his subsequent employers after he left Pats the first time would have needed to apply for new permits. It's up to the FAI to decide if league rules were breached but it looks to me that the clubs concerned and Ndo are open to sanction from the Department. Ndo will probably head off abroad and nobody will pursue him too hard but the clubs could have fines to pay.

**kdjaC** · 08/04/2010, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

I can absolutely guarentee you his first one wasn't for three years (as first time applicants are never giving more than one year)

The permit is to the Employer, not the Employee.

100% has 3 years on it references his contract as the reason , his next one was submitted by Shels 3 years later (of wouldnt it be sweet if it was only for one year).

lad who works for me is from pakistan and here 9 years in a row and has to get one every year, is it a different rule for different countires?

typical public services