Quotewow. Busted. Im actually really really bothered about it. You got me.Originally Posted by The Lep
This one is just for you The Lep.
nope. Didnt say that at all.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
wow. Busted. Im actually really really bothered about it. You got me.
This one is just for you The Lep.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Ive have nothing to do with either of them teams so its a pointless post stu.
Sounds like it to me.
while youre quoting, could you quote the post where i said...
if i havent read or heard about it then i simply havent read or heard about it.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Thats fair enough but then you cant post that Mcguiness hasnt said a word about it then can you.
Of course i can. You can have an opinion based on what you know. As you acquire more facts your opinion can change.
What has McGuinness said anyway? Do you have any direct quotes? As it stands all i have is your post saying that he was in the paper and Dunny saying he was on the radio. I still have no idea what he is supposed to have said.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Pick a paper Stu and google it . An opinon based on what you know is fine but not when you are having a pop at an individual when you dont know if what your comments are true or not.
Settle down kids. No more squabbling !!
thanks.
ill take your word for it. Whatever it was that he said wasnt as vigorous as his condemnation of Bohs, thats for sure. Or else id have noticed.
Last edited by SkStu; 12/02/2011 at 7:13 PM.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Its Bohs you are talking about
Well, I was so depressed I took to the bed when I heard the news and only now am I crawling out.
Some might say that that Fingal had no support, that they were makey uppy, that they were a rich man's plaything. Others may choose to remember SFFC in this way but I know better.
The reality was we played the best football in the league. The reality was we made real efforts to work in the community with schools and local clubs. The reality was that we had as many fans as you could hope to have in 3 short years and those fans we had were as loud and enthusiastic as anyone else's.
The recession and financial mismanagement killed us and I am speechless. I think I know what Bill Shankly meant about football not being a matter of life and death.
Last edited by born2bwild; 12/02/2011 at 9:45 PM. Reason: misspelled loud
Please re-read my post and don't please quote out of context. The simple point is this: clubs overstretch, mess up and we as supporters are too often to blame - happy to keep cheering when winning and giving the finger to other clubs and supporters. The FAI allows this tribal nonsense to go on as it's all part of a "healthy rivalry" and to lift the league, when it all goes belly up these same people will blame the FAI and "others" instead of looking at what they themselves cold have done. I saw it over the years with Dundalk and there was always a bogeyman. SF have their bogeymen while the FAI, PFAI and other will always take a smack, though supporters will suffer on in martyrdom. So I hope this explains it a little easier for you, it's certainly quite a distance from the context from which you extrapolated.
I don't see any link between the clubs overstretching and the supporters cheering. I'm a supporter of Limerick FC, but that's all. I have absolutely no say whatsoever in anything the club does. I can only hope that the people in charge know what they're doing.
You seem to want to portray Fingal's demise as symptomatic of a league-wide problem (and to the extent that their problems stemmed from overspending, it is a problem in the league) but the fact remains that Fingal's implosion is almost totally down to Fingal themselves, not the fans of their or any other club.
Last edited by osarusan; 13/02/2011 at 9:23 AM.
Osarusan, every club's demise or success is individual, earlier I ensured that this is not a doubt. Each club has it's own model, many are similar but all can be rendered unsustainable with a few small twists in the tail. However supporters do have the power to rein in their club, rein in the league and rein in the FAI, however it's much easier to just complain. The point about the clubs overstretching and supporters cheering is that if a club is winning, supporters will be less concerned about apocalyptic consequences and in the main defend what's going on. It's probably a point to make a difference between fans and supporters, though this gets blurred even with the best of intentions. Every supporter has a say in their club, though I am on board with you when you say you can only hope that those in charge know what they're doing. It's the same all the way up to the FAI.
On a kind of parallel point, I heard somebody on a tv show (election related) saying that there was this belief that somebody somewhere was going to come up with a solution to the financial ills we face now. This kind of communal transfer of responsibility to "someone else", whether it's a facet of human nature or not I don't know, but it could well be.
Spudulika, that would be true if "the fans" were a united body who all pulled in the one direction, but we're not. You can blame LOI fans as a group, but blaming any individual ones not in a position of power just seems wrong. So long as you have so many different agents all acting in supposed self-interest, you're always going to have some of them overreaching and gambling that the money they are spending will lead to success, and the arms race starts all over again. The fans have very little power to do anything about this, however, the FAI, as organising authority, do. That's why everybody looks to them for a solution, not as a psychological defence mechanism, but because they're the ones with the wherewithall to make a difference.
Your fist point is complete drivel, but let's entertain it for the moment. How do you think supporters can "rein in" the FAI? Let's have some concrete examples.
On your second point, this is another wcm special - can't remember the programme name? How convenient. I suspect you're making that up.
I don't actually agree with this, by the way. I don't think you could argue Supporters Direct or Stand Up Sit Down have reined in the Premier League. All the FAI have to do is ignore any demands, keep doing what they're doing and there's actually not much you can do about it.
Not weecountyman again??
Last edited by OneForTheFuture; 13/02/2011 at 10:48 AM.
The LOI is far more dependent on matchday revenue than the big Premier League clubs though, so I think proportionally, matchgoing fans would have more power over here than in the UK. It's all down to opinion though.
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