Sporting Fingal Gone Belly Up

[The Lep]

I couldnt say what contracts the players are on but it wouldnt have been outside the budget if there are a few contracted for next year. Between the end of a season and the start of the next season we always see the transfer merry go round of players so we will see then who is out of contract and will be leaving and coming in. Our A championship side have some decent players as well as the under 20's and could so some of them could step up to fill in any places. It might be a weaker team next year if there is wholesale changes but there will be a team that will fight for league . Who knows how we will do next year, we could have the same team with some new faces and challenge again for the league or have a weaker side that will fight off the relegation or get relegated but we wont be the first team in the history of the league to do that nor will we be the last.
But to the dissapointment of some ,there WILL be a Sporting Fingal side in the league for a long time yet so dont get your hopes up just yet .

[Lamper.sffc]

You can forget your Anglo Irish banks (only sponsored us year 1 btw), your gannons, your Councils. If UCD Fail to exist then neither will fingal, due to the fact we take all their good players . So I for one am hoping UCD are around for a long time

PS. Im sure we have our eye on that Kilduff lad

[harleyleeds]

Identity is important. If regions don't have a club they can identify with, the game will suffer. I could never imagine Mayo supporting Galway or Sligo, at least they have some foot on the football ladder now with Castlebar.

pleanty of rovers fans from mayo and galway and roscommon . football is not a county thing .

[SupaJon]

I don't think the Premier division has suffered too badly from the absence of Cork, Derry & Shels (apart from losing the bigger attendances they bring).

The title is going down to the wire.
The race for Euro spots ditto.
And the relegation battle has been quite exciting (for those of us involved in it).

Much better than other very predictable leagues not a million miles away.


And the First Division has been given a big boost from having some good quality teams in there this season.

[legendz]

I think they are missed. We are getting a good battle for the league which is great but there is a lack of big games in front of big crowds which the Premier Division does need as well. A few weeks ago instead of watching Fingal and Pat's in the Morton, Cork vs Derry in either's ground would've looked far better and be a better advertisement for the Premier.
Still though life has gotten on without them and it has been a good season but the Premier would be better with them there on merit and properly run.

[micls]

Micls,
Football is about entertainment and atmosphere. If you have had the pleasure of attending a game in Monaghan recently you'll find both in fairly short supply. If crowds improve, armosphere improves and similarly the standard of fare on offer normally does likewise.

Is it? If football was about entertainment and atmosphere then last season we would have had 0 fans. Football is about identifying and supporting your local team. It can be incredibly boring, most clubs dont have a great atmosphere every game, but it's part of what you are, so you go and you support YOUR team. And when the good times and entertainment comes it's all the sweeter.

For any die hard football fan it's about a lot more than entertainment and atmosphere. To casual fans and teenagers you may be right.

None of the above shows any reason for excluding Monaghan though. If we excluded every club that wasn't entertaining or had a good atmosphere then we'd be left with about 3 clubs a year.

[White Horse]

I don't think the Premier division has suffered too badly from the absence of Cork, Derry & Shels (apart from losing the bigger attendances they bring).

The title is going down to the wire.
The race for Euro spots ditto.
And the relegation battle has been quite exciting (for those of us involved in it).

Much better than other very predictable leagues not a million miles away.


And the First Division has been given a big boost from having some good quality teams in there this season.

The division has been exciting this year whith battles in all parts of the division. Most teams have had a rollercoaster of a season with a mixture of good runs and poor runs.

I certainly don't miss the soap operas of Tom Coughlan and the Derry City board diverting attention away from the football.

[pineapple stu]

I don't think the Premier division has suffered too badly from the absence of Cork, Derry & Shels (apart from losing the bigger attendances they bring).

Also, I think the First Division is much the better, for the same reasons you mentioned (half the league still in with a chance of promotion)

[Macy]

Please explain why the money Fingal got from the developer and council "skews things badly" when it was OK for Pats (for example) to be bankrolled to a much greater extent ? It is up to each club to decide how much they will spend on wages irrespective of what other clubs are doing. many of the clubs you feel have no place in the new world order did not join the "wage race" and have/will outlasted many of the traditionally bigger clubs.

Yes and no. It obviously skews things if clubs are spending money they can't generate themselves. At the moment the unsustainable clubs spending keep getting replaced by other clubs using the same model, so there is no chance for the well run club to achieve on field success.

However, it is the FAI that should be clamping down on this through licencing. Derry and Cork both could've been avoided with proper controls - Cork in particular where the licencing process really let the clubs supporters down.

[marinobohs]

Bohs are a big club based on decades of amateur status and re-applying to join the league? Sorry, don't agree. Sure even the older Rovers fans will tell you the Bohs/Rovers rivalry is a recent invention, borne of Drumcondra's demise and Bohs finally starting to win some games around the 80s.


The things that Shels brought to the league - crowds of 2000, full-time football, former internationals, European success - were all a direct result of their unsustainable overspending. That was never going to keep up, so to have had it stopped can't really be considered a loss to the league. Ditto Bohs, by the way.

You can take the moral high ground with your "aspiring" all you want; we've seen what's happened each and every LoI club to aspire to unattainable dreams.

Bohs - established 1890 as a members club (approx 115 years before shams "discovered" the model).
never relegated

11 League titles (7 before 1980s)
7 FAI cups
3 League cups
1 Irish Cup
1 Setanta Cup

Wont bother mentioning the myriad of other trophies won over the last 120 years (data available on request). "Old rovers fans" probobly not the best source of information about Bohs but explains where you are coming from (by the way, do they let you keep the Hooperman outfit during the week or do you have to give it back between games ? )

Each to their own I suppose but I would prefer to go to a game with a decent crowd generating a bit of atmosphere than bean counting in the company of six people and a dog,

[pineapple stu]

Bohs - established 1890 as a members club (150 years before shams "discovered" the model.

Rovers became a members' club in 2040?

never relegated

Surprised you had the gall to post this given the state your club's in.

the myriad of other trophies

[pedant]You can't say "myriad of" any more than you can say "the many of trophies"[/pedant]

Each to their own I suppose but I would prefer to go to a game with a decent crowd generating a bit of atmosphere than bean counting in the company of six people and a dog,

Have you seen the crowds Shels are getting lately?

Anyway, that's by way of digression. The Premier Division won't miss Bohs. And you also ignored quite a lot of the points I made.

[marinobohs]

Rovers became a members' club in 2040?

APOLS for error - edited accordingly (point still as valid)


Surprised you had the gall to post this given the state your club's in.

Talking abouts facts and it remains one


[pedant]You can't say "myriad of" any more than you can say "the many of trophies"[/pedant]

Yawn ! 7 leagues before we "won a few games in the 80's ????????????


Have you seen the crowds Shels are getting lately?

Still bigger than some prem club gates

Anyway, that's by way of digression. The Premier Division won't miss Bohs. And you also ignored quite a lot of the points I made.

Didnt know Bohs had been relegated ?when ? why?. Keep your wishfull thinking for your letter to Santa or posters here might suspect you have an agenda

[Dodge]

A few weeks ago instead of watching Fingal and Pat's in the Morton, Cork vs Derry in either's ground would've looked far better and be a better advertisement for the Premier.

Really, even if the football was terrible? Better surroundings certainly but how many Cork fans would've travelled to Derry for a 1pm kick off? You can't just pick one (or 2) game(s) on TV in front of poor crowds and say thats the proof the Division is missing some teams.

If Cork or Derry deserve to be in the premier next year, they'll be there.

[Macy]

Bohs - established 1890 as a members club (approx 115 years before shams "discovered" the model).
never relegated

Lets hope it works out better for Shamrocks...

[legendz]

I would consider myself to be an outsider to the Premier and First Division, coming from a region not represented in either division. When I watch a top flight game, while hopefully enjoying the game, I look at it in terms of promotion of the league as well. If it was Pat's home game it would have looked better.
I'm not looking at picking one or two games in front of TV to say the league is missing some teams, teams are there on merit but I do feel Derry and Cork are missed for what their fans do bring to the league, just my own view on it.

[Dodge]

But you say you're watching it as an outsider.

As someone on the inside, let me tell you they're not missed at all

[bennocelt]

Micls,
Football is about entertainment and atmosphere. If you have had the pleasure of attending a game in Monaghan recently you'll find both in fairly short supply. If crowds improve, armosphere improves and similarly the standard of fare on offer normally does likewise.

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Its not about entertainment at all, you go to football because that's what you have to do. if you want excitment stay at home and rent a dvd. I get enjoyment in all kinds of football games, even a 0-0 has something to please.
As for atmosphere, I have to say that LOI grounds on matchday have good atmosphere, with cool banners, flags, singing, etc. No matter if there are only a few hundred the LOI definitely doesn't lack atmosphere. - having said that I havent been to Mervue or S Devon! I have been to grounds with over 50,000 at a game with no atmosphere at all. Again its not all about numbers but about passion, and LOI supporters certainly have that in buckets.

[legendz]

Most grounds have a good atmosphere on match-day. I watched the Kerry League take on Waterford United in March 2008 when we knocked them out of the League Cup on a shoot-out. Was a good day!

[Spudulika]

While few might agree with me, I'd like to thank Big Chief for bringing out the logic in posters - that if clubs are there because of merit then let them play. On too many posts I've been sickened by "fans" running down clubs for any number of reasons, and this one upmanship kills me. I'm glad to see fellow Dundalk supporters point out the obvious, because it was 10 years ago when I stood in Oriel watching miserable 1st Division football in front of miserable crowds where not even a Dundalk win was enough to warm the heart. I fully supported the idea of SF, and I still do, they're working along the European model, something that Shamrock Rovers are attempting to do (sorry, I should say doing). For anyone who has lived or is living in Germany (for example) they'll know how the local hierarchy works. The feed up system for players works well and young players have no worries about dropping down from a Bundesliga sides academy aged 19 (again for example) to play 2nd, 3rd or Regionaliga, as the development system works - hence time and again the Germans shock the "experts" by turning it on and reaching the last 4.

Fratricide is common in Ireland, more than in any other country I've lived in. This willingness to absolutely and totally turn on your neighbour may not erupt in generational wars like in ex-Yugo, however taking a look at RTE any evening and the whipping up of fury by the media between groups or against groups, it's not funny. What the league, and football, in Ireland has been crying out for has been unity, complete unity. Little outbursts punctuate the yearlong bouts of self-loathing and feuding that characterise football in Ireland. There is no quick fix, just good leadership and direction from bottom and top.

[oriel]

which has seen us break the record for the longest period in Irish football's bottom flight.

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I would never have thought that, makes our 7 years down seem like a career break ! Also I would have thought Athlone would have been there longer, I know Mons came up with us the first time in 2000/01. Decent enough website btw http://limerickfc.ie/home/home.html.

I`d love to see the likes of Limerick, Athlone & Finn Harps back up on merit and playing their part in a strong 16 team PD.