Quotethe contract he had with Sligo is valid. No court in the land will dispute that.
Has it been decided which Rovers Chris Turner will be playing for this year?
HAs he been playing for anyone in pre-season?
If he's a Shamrock player, did Sligo get any compensation?
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the contract he had with Sligo is valid. No court in the land will dispute that.
As good a player he is, I think he should hang his head in shame the way he's treated Sligo. This guy is purely motivated by money and nothing else - the Sligo lads may be able to clarify but I believe they paid him a lump sum (5k I think) to keep him covered for the closed season and then he fecks off to Shams for a better contract. I'm very surprised Shams have got involved with a player who had an agreement with another club, I thought O'Neill would be better than that but he's obviously not :-(
Crap split here. Save the drama queen rubbish for the pub.
What do you base that on?Originally Posted by SkStu
The fact that he signed his name to a contract with Sligo is fairly obvious I would have thought? The problem is he decided to sign a second one with Shamrock.
Grayzer is right though, the way Chris Turner has treated Sligo is a disgrace.
O'Neill & Shamrock's antics have been digraceful as well. If O'Neill & Shamrocks had any integrity (a big if I know) they would have walked away from Turner once they found out he had previously signed a deal with Sligo.
How does that answer pineapple stu's question? The fact that he signed a contract does't make it valid as the fai wouldn't register him with that contract because it was not valid and new ones were brought out that were valid and he signed one of them with Shamrock Rovers.
"A contract is an agreement giving rise to obligations enforced or recognised by law.
The parties to the contract dictate the form and the contents. So a contract may be in writing, verbal, may be implied by inference from the conduct of both parties, or may be some combination of the above."
Doolin - Principles of Irish law.
The important piece is in italics. Turner, by turning out for training and, crucially, accepting a signing on fee and wage payments, is bound to the contract he signed with us. Whether it was written on the back of a cigarette packet is of no relevance in Law.
The other crucial aspects of contract ie an agreement, an intention to be contractually bound, consideration and an offer made and acceptance of that offer appear to be in order also.
Can we get off the registration issue if we are looking at whether the contract is valid in law or not?
What the FAI accept for registration is their own business, but a contract is a contract and Turner has breached that.
The interpretation of contract law by some on here is priceless ,lets scrap the heralded standerd playing contract and use fag packets since the documentation matters not in a court of law according to Sligo.Any money recieved by Turner was in good faith that he could be regesterd as a player by the league and play for a club that conducts its buissness according to league rules .Sligo messed him about not the other way round.
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More crap moved to the bin. Next time I'm dumping the lot.
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So as a contract law expert, if this fag packet contract is deemed valid (and kudos for Sligo for paying players lump sums and handshake agreements, great way of doing business), wont a judge in an employment case like this just call for restitution and for Turner to simply pay back the €5k or whatever he was given ?
Last edited by Jicked; 02/03/2010 at 11:29 AM.
By that logic then every player that had a contract from last season became a free agent when this new contract was brought out.
For me the fact he hasnt played in any of Shams preseason friendlies tells its own story.
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Fergal: Ya, I have them here.
Manager: Ah good stuff, well give them to this man so, he forgot his!
Look Jicked, I didn't say that the contract was not written. I was merely making a point as to how I see it.
I would imagine that, as you say, a Judge would order Turner to pay that money back and then he can play for the Hoops if he wants. No problem.
I'm not an expert and never claimed to be. I merely quoted from a text to validate my point.
No, they could also sue for damages (to reputation, for potential lost revenue (as they can't replace a player) etc etc). Would Shamrock then be in trouble for tapping up an employee of another club (Or would the lack of a registration over ride the need to approach SLigo for his transfer)?
There's no way its as cut and dry as either side are making out.
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... and kudos to o'Neill for pubically tapping up turner and kudos to Shams for signing a player under contract at another club, great way to do business ...
Manager: Fergal, have you your boots with ya?
Fergal: Ya, I have them here.
Manager: Ah good stuff, well give them to this man so, he forgot his!
Hold on, this is surely illegal.The dirty fecker!!!
Well I'd imagine Rovers are saying that he wasn't under contract, or that for some reason he could walk away from the contract, which would mean there was no tapping up, and he wasn't under contract.
Anecdotally it seems that Sligo payed Turner a lump sum on the understanding he'd then sign a proper contract at the start of the new season/pre-season. After Sligo didn't win the cup/qualify for Europe, they revised their budget downwards and tried to get Turner to sign for a lower deal. Turner walked away at that point and signed for Shamrock Rovers (having turned them down originally to sign for Sligo's original offer + lump sum). The matter will turn on whether or not Sligo had a contract with him, giving him a lump sum on the understanding he'd sign a deal at a later date might not cut it, and if Sligo then offered him a lower deal than they had originally suggested he'd also be able to walk away from any gentleman's agreement they had.
And you know that how?
Too much speculation and BS going on here, thread should be closed.
Manager: Fergal, have you your boots with ya?
Fergal: Ya, I have them here.
Manager: Ah good stuff, well give them to this man so, he forgot his!
He said it was anecdotal; he didn't present it as fact. It does appear plausible though.
If every thread was closed because someone posted something that wasn't backed up on the internet, the forum would have to close.
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