Funnily enough I was talking to someone earlier about the Arteta thing and he mentioned to me that Hargreaves doesn't actually qualify as home grown under the new premier league rules. Funny stuff.
http://link.brightcove.com/services/...d=592799131001
I wonder what Matt Holland and Andy Townsend think of Roy's sentiments?
(I would like to have heard a bit more of the Owen Coyle interview - from the clip it sounds as if he was an opportunist who decided to play for us - actually come to think of it .. Steve Bruce qualified to play for us too .. Irish interest in all three managers interviewed)
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Well, why would he? He was born and raised in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. At fifteen he moved to Germany where he lived and worked up until his transfer to Manchester United a few years ago.Originally Posted by irishfan86
I guess it just strikes me as funny that some English seem appalled that Arteta could play for England when he's been living there for five years, has an English wife, etc...whereas Hargreaves has only been there three years or so. Sure there's more to nationality than time spent in a country, I just find it interesting that Hargreaves was never difficult for them to swallow, but Arteta is.
Goes back to the search for pure blood I guess, haha.
having moved to Canada, it was one of the first things that struck me as really odd. I have no idea why. Perhaps it is because nationality is, by its nature, more easily defined in Ireland and therefore more important to an Irish person that being "Canadian" is to a Canuck. Even direct immigrants who have been here for as little as 5 years (some Croats and Macedonians) say they are canadian now as Canada has welcomed them and given them so much opportunity. Even though i understand where theyre coming from, I still cant wrap my head around that...
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
You associate with Macs?
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
i try to avoid it but sometimes i cant!
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Lads im ot one for stirring poo but How the heck is Mc Court not able to get into the North's squad when a schoolkid (gorman) can make it, not to mention Corey Evans.
Northern Ireland squad: Taylor (Birmingham), Tuffey (Inverness Caledonian Thistle), Blayney (Linfield), J Evans (Man Utd), Craigan (Motherwell), Cathcart (Blackpool), McAuley (Ipswich), Hughes (Fulham), Baird (Fulham), McCann (Peterborough), Brunt (West Brom), Gorman (Wolves), C Evans (Man Utd), Davis (Rangers), Clingan (Coventry), Healy (Sunderland), Feeney (Oldham), Lafferty (Rangers), Paterson (Burnley), Patterson (Plymouth).
It probably has something to do with how the concept is viewed in what you might call the "New World" (Canada and the US). With those societies being founded and built as one upon or within a melting pot of all sorts of ethnicities, their perspective on nationality is very much civic in outlook - everyone is more than welcome welcome to consider themselves Canadian or American if they've contributed in some way - whereas I think many in Europe, where there might be less homogenisation of cultures and ethnicities within certain states or societies, relatively-speaking, still view nationality on somewhat ethnic lines. For example, for some, the idea of being Irish and being a Catholic Gael or whatever are one and the same and anything other than that is viewed as being somehow "less Irish" or "not authentic Irish". I think that way of looking at nationality is adapting to the modern world, however, which is why you get groups like the BNP in Britain protesting about the erosion of the "indigenous Briton's way of life".
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Didn't he injure himself again whilst celebrating his last wonder goal? Or maybe he's returned to action since, I don't know. 'Tis a strange one alright if he's fit seeing as it was only a fortnight ago, I think, Worthington was assuring McCourt that the international door was still open for him. Why he might have thought it had been shut on him, I'm not sure either.
He came on on Saturday so he is not injured.... I just thing its a bit strange. Gorman has never played 1st football.
Not that I'm disagreeing with you that he's probably deserving of a call-up for them, but here's Worthington's take on it: http://breakingnews.ie/sport/mccourt...#ixzz0xYYPNMVm
McCourt getting regular first-team football seems to be Worthington's priority. Worthington ignored McCourt whilst he was at Derry for some reason and gave the excuse that he was not playing at a high-enough standard. This was despite the fact he was calling Irish League players into his squads at the same time, if memory serves me correctly. Not suggesting there's some grudge there, but it did seem a bit odd at the time considering McCourt's performances and blatant ability then, as does leaving him out now for a vital Euro qualifier in favour of including inexperienced schoolboys and the like.Worthington said that McCourt simply has to keep fit and keep playing and he will be in contention for the upcoming Euro 2012 qualifier away to Slovenia next month.
“The door is still open for Paddy,” he said.
“He was injured a lot over the last year with different bumps and things and that got in the way.
“We all know the quality he possesses but I’ve told Paddy that he has to work hard when he plays, as do all the players in the team, and he knows that.
“But if he gets a regular spot at Celtic then he will be in my plans.
“I brought the youngsters in to give them some experience, to give them a chance but the door is still open for everyone.
“At the moment it’s too early to talk about my squad for the Slovenia game but I will be looking at the situation over the coming weeks.”
Perhaps he just assumes, wrongly, that McCourt is looking to jump ship.
More's the pity that he didn't do so years ago, but good luck to him.
Know what you mean, but surely if you support Ireland, you're then contradicting your own point?
The thing is smaller countries often have mass emigration, especially of professional sports people to better themselves on a bigger stage, so they can't afford to lose them to whatever national league(s) they assimilate into.
We've already seen this farce in NZ & Oz rugby and English cricket where teams go round hoovering up all eligible talent, with limited recourse or of dual use of players, eg. Ed Joyce and just serves to concentrate the resources of many into the hands of the few.
That said the individual should have some sort of choice but would feel FIFA's current restrictions (for all their other many faults) are probably the best compromise.
Anyway with the case of Ingerland it's nothing new, eg. John Barnes or Owen Hargreaves.
He's played in a competitive fixture for them though, so there's no chance of him jumping ship. He's tied now.
The real oddity in this squad is Gorman's inclusion rather than McCourt's shunning. That said, big Nige has also regularly used McGinn, Little (another Old Firm reserve), as well as the ManU youth players and semi-retired Healy. And LoI keeper Mannus, of course.
Worthington has little support left now, after a run of defeats and bizarre selections. Most of our fans expect a sound beating in Maribor and are hoping he'll walk after that.
PS interesting points on the Arteta row above, esp by Messrs Nedser and Irish Fan 86.
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Away matches invariably end in sound beatings, no?
I've a feeling the Faroe Islands are due an "upset". I imagine Nigel will walk after that game.
No.
WC 2010 qualifying:
Czechia A- 0:0
Poland A- 1:1
San Marino A 3:0
EC 2008 qualifying
Sweden A- 1:1
Liechtenstein A 4:1
Denmark A 0:0
IIRC, didn't you guarantee on a previous thread that NI wouldn't win? I think we will, 1-0 would do. But if I'm wrong, it would be the most embarrassing result since Iceland in 2006.I've a feeling the Faroe Islands are due an "upset". I imagine Nigel will walk after that game
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2010.
Albania 1 - 0 Northern Ireland
Montenegro 2 - 0 Northern Ireland
Summer Tour
Turkey 2 - 0 Northern Ireland
Chile 1 - 0 Northern Ireland
Yeah I think I did write that. Obviously I can't guarantee something that falls outside my control but I've seen enough of the Faroes under Brian Kerr to know that a team that can't score goals will struggle against them. I'm certainly glad we didn't get drawn against them. But anyways I'm sure I told you that Montenegro were a stronger team than NI, which you dismissed. Don't think NI had a shot on goals against them in the recent friendly.
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