QuoteMaybe he just thinks someone with numerous U-21 caps for one country shouldn't then play for another?Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Or maybe he just doesn't want to support a Spaniard playing for England.
Well, England has the world's best goalkeeper at the moment!
Why is Lawro being a hypocrite?
Maybe he just thinks someone with numerous U-21 caps for one country shouldn't then play for another?
Or maybe he just doesn't want to support a Spaniard playing for England.
I'm sure he has those views - that's why he expressed them - but why is it hypocritical? Did he have multiple underage caps for England? Did he play international football on the basis of his residency?
He didn't mention anything about U21 caps and the strong implication was that he doesn't want anyone who doesn't "feel" English playing for the team. Which is a bit rich for a player who declared for Ireland because he didn't see himself getting a chance with England.
There have been numerous occasions when he has referred to himself publicly as an Irishman, not least when England won the Rugby WC in 2003 and he said he found it hard to take, and when Motson nearly sh@t himself on TV when Rooney got injured and Lawro said he wasn't fussed (as an Irishman). They've all been documented on foot.ie. The concept of heritage is lost on you obviously.
There's a world of difference between declaring for a foreign country aged 28 based only on residence* and a guy with strong Irish roots declaring for Ireland.
*I'm guessing here, but has all the required period been in England, or does his spell in Scotland also count towards his eligibility? - U21 caps for Spain notwithstanding,
lawro is fecking english mate.
He always had the choice.
I read somewhere that McGinn had no interest in ever playing for us, although I'm not sure what the reasoning behind it was. Not sure how accurate the claim was either. It might have been on OWC actually. They're both excellent players, however, and thankfully I've had the pleasure of witnessing Paddy McCourt in the flesh at Derry City. McGinn as well, but I think McCourt is quite a special talent. Pity he's always injured, mind.
that's how he is being blackballed then, we have Neil Lennon as coach now, he hates the Rangers just as much as those wee guys you saw during the orange walk was on in Belfast hitting them with petrol bombs and that..... and worse.
So Neil Lennon is more bigotted than the dissident scumbags who rioted in Ardoyne?
I suspect Lawrenson is one of those people who considers himself half Irish and half English. It's worth remembering that his Irish connections are a lot stronger than many others who have played for us - his Mother was Irish. Also, he first played for Ireland when he was 19 - I don't think he would have ruled out being good enough for England at that stage of his career, so it's probably a bit unfair to say he only declared for Ireland because England wouldn't pick him.
However, his Dad was English and he grew up in England, so it's also pretty unlikely that he grew up considering himself 100% Irish. I previously posted about the fact that a lot of English born people with Irish roots do consider themselves 100% Irish, but I doubt if many of them have English Dads.
Anyway, whatever you think of Lawrenson's allegiances, I have to say I agree that there is absolutely no parallel whatsoever between his situation and Arteta's.
Most bizarre post EVER!
Shane Duffy's (& numerous others?) left the building. Get over it!
And the word is bigoted. Read Lennon's 'auto'biography. This was a man who was happy to accept a trial from the other team in Glasgow. Until of course they realised his, er, ethnicity.
Oh and Lawro was a great player for Ireland.
Just think he, misguidedly, became 'embarrassed' about it later. Met the man, he's a flouncer, but nothing worse.
Sh*t pundit mind, when it comes to people's nationality. Who cares?
The years he spent in Scotland might contribute to him acquiring British nationality, depending on the relevant citizenship laws and whether residence in the UK must be continuous or not, of course - I admit, I'm not sure what the specific laws are relating to that, by the way - but, beyond the acquisition of British nationality, they're irrelevant as far as his alleged eligibility for England is concerned. Article 17 of the FIFA statutes on the acquisition of a new nationality states that he must have "lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 on the territory of the relevant Association".
As Charlie Darwin has highlighted on the previous page, however, I don't actually see how Arteta satisfies what you might call the sub-criterion contained within article 18.1(a). Unless I've got it all wrong, I suspect this story, like the N'Zogbia one, was born out of lazy journalism. The amount of nonsense in the media surrounding what apparently is and isn't contained within FIFA's statute book - for a document freely available on the internet and easily accessible via a simple Google search - is absolutely staggering.
I am puzzled, though, as to why FIFA are entertaining the story on their official website: http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/cl...d=rssfeed&att=
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 23/08/2010 at 1:27 AM.
no he is english mate
aye probably, hes from the same neck and he has also had death threats from huns, while McGinn is pals with Lafferty whats that all about? Paddy McCourt is a true Celtic man and he would give blood for Celtic even though he cant get a game.
http://twitter.com/PaddyMcCourt20
thats paddys twitter BTW.
Whether we like it or not, Lawro is half & half. His Ireland caps were no illusion.
Get over it.
And that's really PMcC's Twitter, yeah right.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/sport...sh/8936186.stm
What a shambles
Lawrenson is almost certainly more irish than you are Aidinho. Don't get confused between your narrow, bigoted view of Irishness and what it really means to be Irish. You need to read a few more books and a chat with Neil Lennon wouldn't go amiss either (he's a far more moderate and tolerant man than you seem to realise).
"There's man all over for you, blaming on his boots the fault of his feet" - Samuel Beckett, Waiting for Godot
Going back to the point on Mark Lawrenson and whether he's ''Irish or not'', this is what he had to say regarding the Arteta situation and why he doesn't think he should play for England. Yesterday he said :
" No way should Mikel Arteta be picked for England.
"And that comes from someone who was born in Preston and yet played for the Republic of Ireland.
"The big difference is the blood line. My mother’s father was Irish, I wanted to play for Ireland and I just happened to be born in the wrong place.''
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news...cle562375.html
Last edited by TrapAPony; 24/08/2010 at 1:28 AM.
"We lost because we didn't win"- Ronaldo
It's an interesting debate, and perhaps there is an element of old world vs. new world going on.
Lawro says "the big difference is the blood line."
Not calling Lawro a racist, but it's very funny to hear someone referring to blood as a defining factor in identity and nationality. I have little doubt that Arteta considers himself Spanish, but there are people in the world who move to another country and adopt it as their home.
Should those people not be allowed to choose their new country as their home, and if talented enough, represent their adopted home?
Having been raised in Canada, I'd say the majority of people here have multiple allegiances, and this has never seemed odd to me, given that it's the environment I've grown up in.
The world is changing and to try and continue to define a sense of nationality by bloodline seems archaic.
I met a guy from Colombia the other day, and he was raised there. Full accent and everything, but he repeated a couple of times that he "was Canadian." Never mentioned anything like "I am both," or "I am Colombian, but I have Canadian citizenship," he was just Canadian, period, in his mind. Nobody was pressing the issue or anything, it just sort of came up in conversation and it didn't seem to surprise anybody present.
The point I'm trying to make is that nationality is a very complex thing and within reason individuals should be able to choose the nation they wish to represent, assuming there is a legitimate connection, and contrary to what a good chunk of people think, I think residency is a legitimate way to qualify.
Of course - just ask Marcos Senna or Deco. Or the Brazilian Belgian who knocked us out of Euro 2000 or the Turks who knocked us out of Euro 2004 playing for Switzerland. Gary Twigg for Ireland!
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