Obviously you didn't read the phrase, 'warts and all'. One thing you'll always outdo us on, is Paranoia!
And don't wish especially to refute your view, but just in case it's not understood, should you have the time and inclination you can explain to OWB directly your exact logic and reasoning. Though I fear it may be a thankless task.
If you read their posts, like the 'illustrious' EG, the 'b' word and worse is scattered about, though to be fair, not by yourself.
I have expressed my views on the (numerous) eligibility threads on OWC at length, explaining both my logic and reasoning.Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Are you now accepting of the fact that the majority of posters on OWC do not dispute that Duffy is eligible for the Republic Of Ireland?
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Yeah, you have! Which are mainly fine. And would accept a minority of the North's fans accept Duffy's eligibility. So what?
The issue is clearly not whether Duffy is eligible or not, its a case of HOW he is eligible. The majority of the OWC fans seem to think its because of his Donegal parent, which is of course true.
But the reality is that he is eligible due to being born in NI. Just like David Healy, Ian Paisley, George Seawright and Ealing Green (in order of increasing bigotry...) Once the OWC fans take the red pill instead of the blue pill (and not the red, whit & blue pill), they can approach the FAI directly to attempt to negotiate with the honest & trustworthy John Delaney to see how any remaining minor issues can be resolved.
On another note, here is a proposed map of a few FAI training camps that could be set up in the North, once this nasty CAS business is sorted out.
The proposed locations are:
Derry
Omagh
Enniskillen
Armagh
Newcastle/Downpatrick
Cookstown/Magherafelt
Ballycastle
West Belfast
This would allow a solid network of poachers to kidnap children, in a sectarian manner of course.
I edging towards Downpatrick over Newcastle as there is a maternity hospital there so we can start poaching from birth.
No point waiting until primary school if Nigel's about, he'll have them playing in the U21's by that stage!
But wouldn't they then refer to us as travellers, gypsies or even the 'k' word, if we went round setting up training encampments everywhere??
Oul Nige will be capping Catholic sperm next!
So, you maintain that a majority of Northern Ireland fans think that Duffy is not eligible to play for the Republic Of Ireland, under current Statutes?
Is this based on fact, or a trait of paranoia on your part?
I have spoken with many, many Northern Ireland fans on the issue of eligibility - I have yet to meet one who doesn't accept that Duffy is eligible, as Statutes stand, to represent the Republic Of Ireland.
That is not to confuse the diappointment/anger of many that he switched - but that's a different discussion.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
The issue is clearly not whether Duffy is eligible or not, its a case of HOW he is eligible. The majority of the OWC fans seem to think its because of his Donegal parent, which is of course true.
But the reality is that he is eligible due to being born in NI. Just like David Healy, Ian Paisley, George Seawright and Ealing Green (in order of increasing bigotry...) Once the OWC fans take the red pill instead of the blue pill (and not the red, whit & blue pill), they can approach the FAI directly to attempt to negotiate with the honest & trustworthy John Delaney to see how any remaining minor issues can be resolved.
On another note, here is a proposed map of a few FAI training camps that could be set up in the North, once this nasty CAS business is sorted out.
The proposed locations are:
Derry
Omagh
Enniskillen
Armagh
Newcastle/Downpatrick
Cookstown/Magherafelt
Ballycastle
West Belfast
This would allow a solid network of poachers to kidnap children, in a sectarian manner of course.
I edging towards Downpatrick over Newcastle as there is a maternity hospital there so we can start poaching from birth.
No point waiting until primary school if Nigel's about, he'll have them playing in the U21's by that stage!lol
If either or both teams had qualified for the world cup do you think this topic would be so busy at this time. I blame somebody ! ! !
Crux of the matter right there.
The entitlement that exists for people born in 'Northern Ireland' to Irish citizenship and players born there to represent Ireland is a validation of the fact that despite being born within the confines of a British border and living within British occupied territory, these people have every right to dispute and reject those impositions. In the case of football players, neglecting to play for the representative team of the territory is one, very visible way that rejection is manifested. A team so rich in British trappings, even the customary nod to her majesty's welfare is included before a ball is kicked. Fortunately, there exists another team on the island that further validates their position. One which in theory, could feature one representative from every region of the island in a 32 man squad. This team would obviously be the first choice of an Irish citizen, be they players or supporters. All of which leads to a perceived imbalance and great angst for the IFA and their supporters. But it isn't the FAI who are the architects of their ire, rather the means that exist to alleviate and/or accomodate a historical injustice that continues to intrude upon the identities of a large group of people. Challenging those means is disingenuous at best.
Every time I see the title of this thread, I'm reminded how much of a misnomer it is. It may as well be titled 'Should we stop recruiting Irish players'.
I still think it's odd that Duffy's registration is being held up by this case. I know it's a moot point since he got injured, but I don't really get why since there was never any question over his entitlement to switch his registration. Perhaps the FAI/Duffy just left it too late to initiate the switch?
Who said anything about trusting Blatter, I am merely quoting the man and what he said is supported by FIFA actions on the issue.
If you can find one dubious eligibility case after 2004 to support your views, then please present it.
Otherwise - wise up.
Wasn't George a Glaswegian? He certainly sounded like one.
Where did you get all that from, the Ladybird book of cartoon Provo cliches? If Trap named a 32 man squad there'd probably be players from Scotland, Wales, NI, England and maybe even Germany in it.
Last edited by Gather round; 09/06/2010 at 4:38 PM.
'In theory, Lady Gaga could walk on the moon'
'In theory, OJ was innocent.'
'In theory, Norn Iron could qualify for another World Cup'.
etc.
Possibility never submitting to likelihood of course
Haven't got time to post much at present*, but I thought I'd take a moment to congratulate you on getting at least one thing right - the banner was most definitely a joke. Which is why so many people thought it funny. And speaking of "funny", I'll just share this little gem which someone brought to my attention earlier today:
"11 - The Republic of Ireland were penalised more often for handball than any other team in the European WorldCup qualifiers"
http://twitter.com/optajoe
* - But like Arnie: "I'll Be Back"
You can speak for a majority better than me, but frankly not really bothered anymore what they think 'per se', based on the 'facts' in their collective hostile and paranoid ramblings on OWB towards Duffy and any other nationalist who wants to play for their country....of which various don't seem to have your more reasoned approach??
Personally have no paranoia towards the North, except with certain embittered 'blow-in' locals to largely refuse to accept the indigenous population's right to assert their own culture! Which maybe you'd also like to deny??
There are various examples, largely involving Africans and South Americans playing for various Europeans teams (& articles on how 'easy' it is to switch nationality!!); just search via Google!
Bl*tter is a **** and he couldn't run the proverbial drink-up in a brewery.
No he'd probably find 32 Irish citizens, unlike a certain British colony who seem to be unsustainably relying on passing Germans?
Anyway, WD besides, don't you have more pressing arrangements of a monetary nature to deal with........
May we be grateful for that.
As for Opta, having visited their offices and known their staff would hardly say they were the most reliable judges, but perhaps it's our natural GAA inclination??
What was the other fella's excuse anyway?? Still karma will arrive shortly.
Hurry back, can't wait to read the next installment of what is appreciated as intelligent thought amongst the owc. Though I suspect that there are a few in the OWC who have copped on and regard you as little more valuable that an overinflated buffoon.
For years this Ealing Green has been presenting toilet rolls of garbage on FIFA eligibility. This lad has presented the most moronic posts on the eligibility issues, day after day, week after week, month after month. Not once has this lad ever got it, even when it was explained in excruciatingly minute detail - he would bounce back the next day as ignorant as he was the day before.
I thought it was miraculous that one could be so intelligently pigheaded and avoid the rational thought process with such determination. It is indeed a difficult achievement.
But here he is again, fully replete with a memory wipe out of any previous discussion, a wipe out of any written FIFA statue, here he is inventing the premise as if he was Moses coming down from the mountain.
Please note that this merry trickster will avoid the core issue and deflect at will. He stands alone as the most dishonest poster in a debate as ever I have experienced on Footie.
I have debated with many here and disagreed with some but I can't recall any poster actually being purposely contrary, purposely avoiding the core issue, purposely ignoring established accepted facts and instead creating an argument based on an invention and presenting it as fact.
Quite simply this Ealing Green is an utter fraud and has not got an ounce of sincerity in learning.
Imagine the absolute sheer deluded arrogance of the man to come here after all these years of and think he has a morsel of sense to offer on the eligibility issue.
Roll on July 19th.
Hopefully it won't be just the IFA who are enlightened.
Last edited by Sullivinho; 10/06/2010 at 1:45 AM.
Arnie??? While foot.ie awaits your next wave of denial and rebuttal, I would suggest that Comcial Ali is a far more apt persona for you to take EalingGreen.
Should Nick Griffin ever step down, get an application in.
You know all the right words.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
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