QuoteHe must have seen my post and elaborated on it (post # 301). Might become a journalist.Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
Aye, but you know it's true. Even If they never said it, they'd be thinking so.
He must have seen my post and elaborated on it (post # 301). Might become a journalist.
Manager: Fergal, have you your boots with ya?
Fergal: Ya, I have them here.
Manager: Ah good stuff, well give them to this man so, he forgot his!
Yet another article that misses the point in terms of understanding the FIFA Articles.
Nope. My take is the same as FIFA's, and afterall it is theirs that counts.
"Equally possible" only in your mind Tets because most likely you have a difficulty to determine a certainty about the Fifa articles in relation to the citizenship laws.
Because the citizenship laws exist, then the footballers qualify to be eligible.
But the citizenship laws by themselves do not give a person a civil right to play for a country.
What gives a footballer the right, is the text of the Fifa statute.
The FIFA statute 15 could easily have been formulated to read that a footballer must be born inside the boundaries of a federation's territory in order to be automatically eligible.
What then? That would be a normal enough eligibility rule.
FIFA statute 17, (the Granny rule) only refers to being a descendant from parent or grandparent who was born inside the territory of the federation.
Certainly one situation influences another. Because that automatic citizenship exists for footballers born outside a federation, so FIFA accommodated that in the rule 15.
If the GFA had not that constitutional article over citizenship then I doubt that FIFA would have written article 15 in the way they did.
The constitutional context for that FIFA text is just about restricted to Ireland.
Last edited by geysir; 06/03/2010 at 9:57 PM.
Maybe I'm missing something when I peruse OWC but I'm actually amazed that one of the mods on that site and someone who is virulenty and bitterly opposed to NI players switching to the south is actually born and bred in the south (or as south as Donegal can be given it's location). Is this not utter hypocrisy to reject where you are from to support a "foreign" state so to speak yet still blow a gasket about kids who want to do the very same in reverse?
Personally I am all for civil liberty and the right of the individual to choose within reason. If someone has ties to NI and wants to support or play for them then all power to them but you can hardly complain when it goes the other way. I thought the whole problem of the "north" was some people trying to tell other people what they should be rather than accepting and respecting the diferences between them.
Maybe there should be some cut off age before kids have to decide who they want to play for but they shouldn't be hounded for the choice they make. Most of these lads are 15, 16 or 17 and hardly know their arse from their elbow at that age. It's a bit much to expect them to make a final decision when they are still learning to tie their own boots but maybe for clarity's sake we need them to decide their future earlier.
Last edited by Maroon 7; 07/03/2010 at 5:47 AM.
I'm not sure if there is an official connection with the forum as such, but they do at least legitimise it by using it as a vehicle themselves eg the IFA Announcements & Marketing section.
Some of the IFA staf are registered on that site, but some fans are so paranoid on there, they're probably p*ssing in the wind.
Article in the Independent today from John O'Brien who suggests that Kerr's criticism of selecting NI born players wasn't strong enough. Rambles on about 'honour' at the end of the article.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/othe...n-2091424.html
Another article relating to Givens' poor record with the U21s concludes by saying we're 'stealing' players: http://www.independent.ie/sport/othe...s-2091397.html
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Last edited by Gather round; 07/03/2010 at 12:39 PM. Reason: double post
The IFA recognises supporters clubs both individually and as part of the wider amalgamation. IFA elected officials and staff post there because it's the most representative forum for NI fans. Many of whom are in the official supporters clubs.
So only indirect connection then.
Aye, it's legitimate targetted niche marketing.
OWC sources tell me Mr Bhoy of Ardee is about to cease posting there. He's thrown the moderators off the scent by pretending to be from Andersonstown, it seems.
Last edited by Gather round; 07/03/2010 at 12:40 PM.
Aye as legitimate as the time the IFA maketing department were promoting sex toys.
I would hazard a guess that that chap is of Ulster Scots extraction and probably feels more at home with his "brethren" supporting their little part of the world. Which is fair enough, I suppose, unless he's bleating on about the same in reverse; northern-born nationalists supporting or playing for Ireland. Of course, I don't know if he is; I don't really have the required cognitive capacity to follow the particular coming together of "minds" that is exhibited on there, after all, but didn't FIFA agree on a compromise that would allow people of his ilk to declare for Northern Ireland if they so wished? Actually, you say he is against northern-borns switching, so I guess that makes him a hypocrite. Indeed. Maybe he has family from the north. Who knows? Who cares?
I think he's primarily concerned with the FAI viewing it as a long-term solution or "easy way out" in the place of nurturing talent themselves, which is fair enough. Accusations of moral bankruptcy don't really stand, however. What is honour anyway? It's not as if these players are being coerced into playing for us. They wouldn't play for us if they didn't want to. And they do possess Irish ancestry, after all, which we're all constitutionally-bound to cherish, right? He pussyfoots around and is fairly ambiguous on the morality of the policy when it comes to the African teams and even mentions that he can "understand" it, but then seems fairly happy to be critical and accusatory when it comes to us. Why the apparent contradiction?
At the end of the day why shouldn't we use the rule to our advantage every other country does it? i mean look at france..zidane should have really played for algeiria, henry,vieira were from surinam or something then theres the obvious ones deco, eduardo(very croatian sounding name) senna for spain i could go on in fairness, now that i think any decent brazillians left in gort?
Hehe, maybe you should have a scan through your research on those. They're all French-born, bar Vieira, who was from Senegal. I think you have Edgar Davids in mind. Anyhow, your point that other associations see no problem in playing fully by the rules still stands.
How did Vieira actually qualify to play for France, by the way? Residency or something? Or was French citizenship open to those in former colonies or what?
WTF are you on about? My sources in Beal-feirste are mainly from the Short Strand and The Falls. Just pity their wider occupation by patronising fools....
Agree with the Hypocrisy angle. Not to mention Paranoia, with anything that upsets the 'status quo' or is perceived to be different from them.
No wonder Nats struggle to 'represent' these people.....
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