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    What Role Does the League of Ireland Play in Irish Football?

    The 2005 Genesis Report stated the following:

    "The Eircom League is a central cog in the FAI Technical Plan. It is critical that a strong domestic league acts as the pinnacle of the football pyramid and pathway to create an integrated development structure. The league is of key strategic importance to football in Ireland."

    Is it really true that the League of Ireland is strategically important to football in Ireland?
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    Strategically means 'of great importance within an integrated whole or to a planned effect' - what would the consequences for Irish football be if the League ceased to exist?
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    We'd be unable to feel morally superior to the great patriots who follow foreign teams?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A N Mouse View Post
    We'd be unable to feel morally superior to the great patriots who follow foreign teams?
    I never knew that was why we have a League of Ireland

    By some estimates an average of only 10,000 people attend a full round League of Ireland matches on any given weekend and the League doesn't provide any players to the senior national side - so I ask again - How strategically important is the League to Irish football?
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    It's the best level of football in the country. And there are several players in the Ireland squad that came via LOI clubs. They tend to get magically better when they join a UK club.

    What's the point you are trying to make here by the way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soccer Mom View Post
    Is it really true that the League of Ireland is strategically important to football in Ireland?
    Quote Originally Posted by Soccer Mom View Post
    How strategically important is the League to Irish football?
    It sounds like you are confusing "Irish football" with the Irish national team.

    Its importance to the latter, in terms of players plaing in both at the same time, is small, but its importance in the far wider picture of Irish football in general is much bigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soccer Mom View Post
    the League doesn't provide any players to the senior national side - so I ask again - How strategically important is the League to Irish football?
    How strategically important is the national team to Irish football?
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    We'd become a laughing stock within UEFA circles
    We'd have no international team (see the setting up of the Wlesh league for this type of precedent)

    We'd then have no income into Irish football which would, of course, affect all levels of the game

    Not to mention the fact that as the only professional level of the game in Ireland, it gives a huge amount of employment to people working in football.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr A View Post
    What's the point you are trying to make here by the way?
    I'm not trying to make a point. It's a genuine question but I am coming from the angle that there seems to be a lot of resources put into something that appears to be in terminal decline. I just wonder if there was no League of Ireland would it have a negative impact on the wider football community?
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    How strategically important is football to national football? Would Cork have been any less entertaining if it had been a hockey team in meltdown? No! Would the story of Stephen Ireland's granny's funeral been any less entertaining if he were a rugby player? No!

    National football - better because it's Irish. (Bugger the football.)

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    [QUOTE=Dodge;1323917]We'd become a laughing stock within UEFA circles
    We'd have no international team (see the setting up of the Wlesh league for this type of precedent)

    Sorry but I don't understand that. How does the existence of the League impact one way or the other on the national team?

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    then have no income into Irish football which would, of course, affect all levels of the game
    If you're right about your first point then this is a very relevant issue.

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    Not to mention the fact that as the only professional level of the game in Ireland, it gives a huge amount of employment to people working in football.
    Employment (while important to those affected) is not a good enough reason to maintain a league. It certainly wasn't the reason why it was set up in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schumi View Post
    How strategically important is the national team to Irish football?
    That's a different issue and if you want to start a new thread on that I'll gladly give my humble opinion on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soccer Mom View Post

    Sorry but I don't understand that. How does the existence of the League impact one way or the other on the national team?
    You are not allowed to have an international team without having a domestic league, with very very few exemptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osarusan View Post
    You are not allowed to have an international team without having a domestic league, with very very few exemptions.
    Oh. Didn't know that. I presume that's a FIFA rule - so who are the exceptions - and do you know why the exceptions were made?
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    Liechtenstein is the only exception I know of because of its size. They compete in the Swiss leagues. Though the likes of Andorra, San Marino and even Monaco have their own leagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Liechtenstein is the only exception I know of because of its size. They compete in the Swiss leagues. Though the likes of Andorra, San Marino and even Monaco have their own leagues.
    Thanks for that info. In any event I'm not really suggesting getting rid of the League. I just think that perhaps (and it's only a 'perhaps' because I am not in possession of all the relevant facts) it absorbs too much money and other resources that may be to the detriment of football at other levels in the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soccer Mom View Post
    I'm not trying to make a point. It's a genuine question but I am coming from the angle that there seems to be a lot of resources put into something that appears to be in terminal decline. I just wonder if there was no League of Ireland would it have a negative impact on the wider football community?
    I'm willing to bet that Giovanni Trapattoni receives more money each year from the FAI than the 20+ league clubs in Ireland. The resources the clubs have to work with have to come from the fans, and sponsorship, and the clubs themselves fight tooth and nail to keep themselves in existence, with minimal help from the FAI

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    Quote Originally Posted by peadar1987 View Post
    I'm willing to bet that Giovanni Trapattoni receives more money each year from the FAI than the 20+ league clubs in Ireland.
    Quite possible. Total prize money for the two leagues was €1.25m. With Denis O'Brien's help I think Trapp earns €2m. Could be wrong on both counts though.

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    The resources the clubs have to work with have to come from the fans, and sponsorship, and the clubs themselves fight tooth and nail to keep themselves in existence, with minimal help from the FAI
    OK now we're getting somewhere. Why should the FAI help the League of Ireland clubs? What do League clubs do for football in Ireland?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soccer Mom View Post
    What do League clubs do for football in Ireland?
    Apart from playing it at the highest level in the land? And giving the best players in the country an outlet against each other?

    What is it you want from the League of Ireland?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soccer Mom View Post
    Why should the FAI help the League of Ireland clubs? What do League clubs do for football in Ireland?
    What does any club do for football in Ireland?

    If you don't think the highest level don't do anything for football in ireland, you must think the leagues below the LOI do even less?
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