Willie O Dea: Proven Liar

[kingcorner]

At least he resigned. He didnt have much of a choice but I couldnt imagine many of them resigning no matter what they have done.

Some of the planks in government will have to be dragged kicking and screaming even if they go on a shooting spree in the dail.

[Macy]

The Seanad has never once overturned a Dail bill. What would be your idea of reform?

Get rid of the Taoiseach's nominee's. Of which Harris, the man who rants and raves about public sector waste and wages despite claiming his salary and supports without being elected, is one.

[weecountyman]

So you're saying that not everything he said was false

What? Or rather pardon?

[Dodge]

What? Or rather pardon?

OK, seeing as you're having trouble.

O'Dea said that SF people were in the IRA. This is factually correct

[Fr Damo]

So, they still have wide body jets. Why should they give up the hanger just so a competitor can use it? Ryanair ain't the only employer, and they certainly ain't a good employer.

O leary says he wants it cos he can get 6 narrow body aircraft in at a time, therefore increasing effeceincy. Aerlingus operate 3 or 4 "wide" bodied and these are overhauled one at a time therefore leaving excess capacity within the hanger. As I understand it, other hangers can accomadate the A330s and then there is always Shannon!

Anybody I heard this week from SRT said they would work for O leary. (I agree it'd no contest verses the dole) but what makes ryanair not a good employeer?
Ask the pilots Aerlingus let go after 9-11 who then join O leary to fly 18 hours a week instead of 10, ask the cabin crew let go by flag carriers all over Europe in the last 24 months.

[Macy]

but what makes ryanair not a good employeer?

For a start, most of "their" staff are agency staff subcontracted to Ryanair. That includes pilots and cabin crew. If you haven't heard about the issues, you obviously haven't been paying attention to a number of investigations that have been done on Ryanair in recent years. Still, once you can get cheap flights, who cares how the staff are treated?

When SRT vacated, the hanger was available to any party. That great businessman missed the opportunity, either in timing or his refusal to deal with certain bodies, and he's now trying to bully his way in. Still doesn't excuse the Government not meeting him to discuss it though.

[osarusan]

The sun is shining, the birds are singing, the coffee's strong, and O'Dea's resigned. A good day in Limerick.

[Mr A]

This image in the IT made me laugh out loud.



Cheerio, cheerio, cheerio.

The hilarious part is that SF are so easy to attack without making crap up.

[Fr Damo]

For a start, most of "their" staff are agency staff subcontracted to Ryanair. That includes pilots and cabin crew. If you haven't heard about the issues, you obviously haven't been paying attention to a number of investigations that have been done on Ryanair in recent years. Still, once you can get cheap flights, who cares how the staff are treated?

When SRT vacated, the hanger was available to any party. That great businessman missed the opportunity, either in timing or his refusal to deal with certain bodies, and he's now trying to bully his way in. Still doesn't excuse the Government not meeting him to discuss it though.

Undercover investigations that had a sprinkling of sensationalism attached? Unnamed Pilots saying they attempt to land rather than diverting? Ecessive hours? Cabin crew talking about hours without breaks? What investigations have been proven to be breeches on employment contract or worse still FAA breeches Macy?
Ryanair are possibly the safest airline you could ever hope to fly in because if there was ever a fatal crash they are finished. Their safety record speak for it's self and the odd story about over runs and skids are simply down to the exordinary number of flights the airline carries out per year.
I agree O Leary does nothing unless it benifits Ryanair but surley we should be negotiating with him properly. I think the empass proves the ineptidude in the Tainiste's ability and that's the fundamental point. She knew she would get "riden" by him.

[Fr Damo]

The sun is shining, the birds are singing, the coffee's strong, and O'Dea's resigned. A good day in Limerick.

So I believe. There is a resounding opinion this guy did nothing but provide Bertie and later Cowan a scapegoate for tough questions (always on Question & Ans) and didn't deliver in Limerick. Shannon and Dell two high profile cases. Atypical of what FF stand for, all mouth and moustache and no 28" leg trousers.

[pineapple stu]

Thought the front covers of today's papers were interesting. (Haven't been paying this too much heed, mind). "O'Dea resigns as Greens claim scalp" was the Indo. "O'Dea resigns after Greens withdraw support" was the Times. Made it sound like the Greens were somehow to blame, not the lying, perjuring minister. I may be being too cynical about it, but it reminds me why I don't read newspapers any more.

[Macy]

What investigations have been proven to be breeches on employment contract or worse still FAA breeches Macy?

What employment contracts? Agency staff, after years of inaction by our Government and others (notably the UK), have little or no employment rights. And any rights they have are with the agency, not with Ryanair.

I'm not an aviation expert, but there's more to safety than not having crashed. Tight turnarounds and the pressure they put on staff can't be good for anyone, except for Ryanair shareholders.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/tra...cle1343517.ece

btw mods - I'd say the Ryanair stuff is off topic (and I know I helped contribute to that, so sorry).

[Fr Damo]

btw mods - I'd say the Ryanair stuff is off topic (and I know I helped contribute to that, so sorry).

[/QUOTE]

Ditto

[Dodge]

NO need to move the stuff from this thread, but we'll leave the Ryanair stuff alone (Except to say if people want the aer lingus rebuttal, they should read the letters page of today's irish Times)

BTW Limerick lads, I wouldn't be celebrating yet. i have absolutely no doubt that WIllie O'Dea will be re-elected. One of my favourite comments from the last election coverage on RTE was from the FF director of elections when he was asked about O'dea's huge personal viote, and the failure of FF to get more seats "isn't that poor planning" he was asked.

"Well that's willie for you. You can't tell Willie O'Dea what to do"

[Macy]

BTW Limerick lads, I wouldn't be celebrating yet. i have absolutely no doubt that WIllie O'Dea will be re-elected. One of my favourite comments from the last election coverage on RTE was from the FF director of elections when he was asked about O'dea's huge personal viote, and the failure of FF to get more seats "isn't that poor planning" he was asked.

"Well that's willie for you. You can't tell Willie O'Dea what to do"

Especially not after listening to various vox pop's doing the rounds this morning from Limerick. Turns out it wasn't his fault at all, and he's a big loss to Limerick (when it came down to it the only thing one of them could come up with was inside jacks in some estate!). It was all the blueshirts and the greens fault, nothing to do with dirty election tactics or false legal documents. They must have brought into he's a victim line that O'Dea was peddling on the News at One yesterday. Still, not all the media are against him, Darcy showing his FF colours (again) by starting the recovery process for his pal this morning.

[Leeside Swagger]

I'm not defending him because he had to go, but the girlfriend lives in Limerick east and has gone to his office before with a couple of issues and he went well out of his way to help. He'll be re-elected no bother.
He was always a bit of a ticking time bomb in government if you ask me.

[Mr A]

I'm not defending him because he had to go, but the girlfriend lives in Limerick east and has gone to his office before with a couple of issues and he went well out of his way to help. He'll be re-elected no bother.
He was always a bit of a ticking time bomb in government if you ask me.

That's half the problem with Irish politics. "He helped somebody fill in a form" far outweighs "He's part of a government that ran the country into the ground" in too many people's eyes.

[Leeside Swagger]

That's half the problem with Irish politics. "He helped somebody fill in a form" far outweighs "He's part of a government that ran the country into the ground" in too many people's eyes.

Yes but the people he helps out are the same people who vote him in so your point is fairly redundant unless we change our whole political system (which wouldnt be a bad thing imo.) And it wasnt a form, it was a very serious matter so please dont rubbish my point.

[osarusan]

BTW Limerick lads, I wouldn't be celebrating yet. i have absolutely no doubt that WIllie O'Dea will be re-elected.

He'll be re-elected no bother.

I don't doubt it at all either, but I'm just happy to see him exposed as the blustering sniveling runt he is.

Lets hope this happens too.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0219/odeaw.html

Garda Commissioner Fachtna Murphy has said gardaí will consider whether an investigation is warranted into claims that a member of the force supplied certain information to former Minister for Defence Willie O'Dea.

Mr O'Dea had claimed that a member of An Garda Síochána was a source for defamatory information regarding Sinn Féin Cllr Maurice Quinlivan.

[passinginterest]

Yes but the people he helps out are the same people who vote him in so your point is fairly redundant unless we change our whole political system (which wouldnt be a bad thing imo.) And it wasnt a form, it was a very serious matter so please dont rubbish my point.

I don't think Mr. A is rubbishing your point. There is a fundamental problem with parish pump politics dictating national politics in this country and you're suggesting that a minister doing a personal favour is enough for him to be re-elected depite the fact that he is a proven liar who has seen the biggest emoployer in his region up and leave and has been part of one of the most corrupt and useless governments in Irish history. If people can't see the bigger picture in that case we may was well all jump under the next passing bus.