Willie O Dea: Proven Liar

[the 12 th man]

Motion just commenced in the Dail with Cowen firing bullets at the opposition, and calling the lie a "mistake", amongst other things.

Don't you know politicians never lie,they only make "mistakes",imagine Joe Public trying that on in a court case,they'd be laughed out of court.

[Macy]

Dan Boyle seems to have broken ranks and said O Dea behaved badly and should resign. He wasn't at the vote and says this issue is likely to keep running.

Not the first time the Greens have used their senators to speak out of both sides of their mouth. Him and De Burca actually voted against the Government on one bill, once they new FG were supporting it obviously. Another trick picked up from FF - Dan Boyle is the Greens Matty McGrath.

imagine Joe Public trying that on in a court case,they'd be laughed out of court.

Laughed out of court? Probably facing a charge more like...

On the radio this morning he only said it in the first place because the cops gave him wrong info - wtf was he doing asking the cops for information about a political rival? And more importantly, why were the cops supplying it.

[Mr A]

Another Green speaks out: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...264713504.html

He's absolutely spot on in what he says.

[John83]

There's not a scrap of accountability in politics here. It's depressing.

I was hoping for a an entertaining Wookie defence. Instead, we get the usual downplaying of any suggestion of wrongdoing. God forbid we actually give a damn what our TDs do.

[Mr A]

Another disturbing aspect of this is that from looking at the Indo's website you'd barely know this controversy was happening... why is that?

[OneRedArmy]

Dan Boyle is playing the rebel at the moment, he's not worth paying attention to.

My understanding is that he Tweeted or Facebooked his "opinion" after the vote. How brave of him.

Empty vessels etc....

[Macy]

My understanding is that he Tweeted or Facebooked his "opinion" after the vote. How brave of him.

We'll see whether he walks the walk, as haven't the blueshirts moved a Seanad motion of no confidence?

[drummerboy]

He sounded like a troubled man on the RTE news at lunchtime. The pressure is starting to really build. Cowan could cut him loose.

What bothers me is this is taking the heat of Coughlan, and her refusal to nudge Aer Lingus to do the right thing and vacate Hanger 6. I don't like O'Leary, but 300 decent jobs is worth the discomfort.

[dahamsta]

Aer Lingus argue that they can't vacate Hanger 6 as it's the only place available for maintenance of their wide body jets. What's wrong with their argument I wonder?

[Mr A]

Looks like he isn't going to survive this controversy.

Maybe there is hope for this republic yet.

[Fr Damo]

He sounded like a troubled man on the RTE news at lunchtime. The pressure is starting to really build. Cowan could cut him loose.

What bothers me is this is taking the heat of Coughlan, and her refusal to nudge Aer Lingus to do the right thing and vacate Hanger 6. I don't like O'Leary, but 300 decent jobs is worth the discomfort.

You're 100% correct drummerboy, she's getting of lighly on this one. she said she offered O Leary a site in Shannon, large car park, New building etc close to the Apron and no body in the media asked her how that would help the 1000 odd skilled techs in and around Fingal!

O leary isn't exactly whiter than white but he he says he will deliver 300 jobs he will deliver 300 jobs... Even the beards say this deal should be done. Personally I would take a chance on him and besides even if Ryanair get a stronger position what harm if it's jobs that pay PRSI andPAYE in this jurastiction?

Arelingus cliaming they need hanger 6 for their wide bodied aircrft doesn't hold when you consider they are reducing capacity on their long haul routes. Think they only have three or four anyway, having sold off a vew last year. The vast majority of the fleet are A321s or similar. (i.e 150 - 180 seats) and are short haul (narrow body)

[dahamsta]

So, they still have wide body jets. Why should they give up the hanger just so a competitor can use it? Ryanair ain't the only employer, and they certainly ain't a good employer.

[Scram]

Another disturbing aspect of this is that from looking at the Indo's website you'd barely know this controversy was happening... why is that?

Why indeed. The Sindo rag and the preposterous Eoghan Harris responsible for getting Bertie back in to power. Anyone who buys any INM rag should be ashamed. Harris was on Newstall today ranting about Shinners and the armed conflict! in DEFENCE of O'Dea!! This obnoxious fool is costing us 100's of thousands as a Senator thanks to Bertie.

GOOD RIDDANCE TO O'DEA BUT The Senate MUST be closed.

[weecountyman]

Why indeed. The Sindo rag and the preposterous Eoghan Harris responsible for getting Bertie back in to power. Anyone who buys any INM rag should be ashamed. Harris was on Newstall today ranting about Shinners and the armed conflict! in DEFENCE of O'Dea!! This obnoxious fool is costing us 100's of thousands as a Senator thanks to Bertie.

GOOD RIDDANCE TO O'DEA BUT The Senate MUST be closed.

You've hit it scram, Mr A asked, why are the Indo not covering big Willie in the depth he deserves. Back before the last election big Willie had a couple of articles where he openly described SF as SF/IRA, that many of their "men" were former criminals and that unless the state suddenly became a criminal enteprise they wouldn't be fit to run it - this from a man whose party merrily danced us over the cliff with chronic and persistent cronyism.

O'Dea has behaved in a disgraceful manner and it is hard to separate him from his nob nation character. He's a caricature of a politician.

[oscar]

the limerick leader released the tape of the interview today,they played some of it on the local radio station 95fm,willie was singing like a canary,ha ha its on the news now,good man willie

[Dodge]

You've hit it scram, Mr A asked, why are the Indo not covering big Willie in the depth he deserves. Back before the last election big Willie had a couple of articles where he openly described SF as SF/IRA, that many of their "men" were former criminals and that unless the state suddenly became a criminal enteprise they wouldn't be fit to run it -

So you're saying that not everything he said was false

[old git]

He sounded like a troubled man on the RTE news at lunchtime. The pressure is starting to really build. Cowan could cut him loose.

What bothers me is this is taking the heat of Coughlan, and her refusal to nudge Aer Lingus to do the right thing and vacate Hanger 6. I don't like O'Leary, but 300 decent jobs is worth the discomfort.

the same goverment that let 1800 + decent jobs go in dell limerick and media / opposition etc did not make much of a major issue about it ...

[dahamsta]

I've never understood the "close the senate" rhetoric. Reform, yes; but close it, really? Ye really want the idiots in the Dail and the Government's buddy up the Aras to be the be-all and end-all of Irish politics? Because the quality of their legislation has been so good in recent years, presumably...

[Dodge]

I've never understood the "close the senate" rhetoric. Reform, yes; but close it, really? Ye really want the idiots in the Dail and the Government's buddy up the Aras to be the be-all and end-all of Irish politics? Because the quality of their legislation has been so good in recent years, presumably...

But the idiots in the senate aren't even good enough to displace those in the Dail. its still a buddy system

The Seanad has never once overturned a Dail bill. What would be your idea of reform?

[weecountyman]

But the idiots in the senate aren't even good enough to displace those in the Dail. its still a buddy system

The Seanad has never once overturned a Dail bill. What would be your idea of reform?

One simple thing, senators are elected by the people, not placed in there for their "goodwill" to parties. If they were a proper and confident body elected the same as TD's there might be some actual progress made. The elections could take place at the same time as Dail elections.