2010 Licences

**Candystripe** · 16/02/2010, 11:14 AM

AFAIK Derry City only applied for a first division licence.

We won't need the premier licence until next season.

**tiktok** · 16/02/2010, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by tippex

what would happen if the other (all) clubs effectively refused to play against a cork team in the premier as a protest at what has happened with the club licensing fiasco?

Cork would win the league as a result of being awarded the win for every unfulfilled fixture.

**peadar1987** · 16/02/2010, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by tippex

what would happen if the other (all) clubs effectively refused to play against a cork team in the premier as a protest at what has happened with the club licensing fiasco?

I would say that the FAI would impose heavy sanctions on any club that chose to do that, ironically, probably similar sanctions to those Cork should be getting now.

**Dodge** · 16/02/2010, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by tiktok

Cork would win the league as a result of being awarded the win for every unfulfilled fixture.

Yeah but with no income you'd be docked points for going over the 65%

Seeing as we're talking hypotheticals

**peadar1987** · 16/02/2010, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Yeah but with no income you'd be docked points for going over the 65%

Seeing as we're talking hypotheticals

There's hypotheticals, and there's the simply ridiculous, like the FAI actually showing the kahunas to punish Cork for breaking the 65% cap

**Dodge** · 16/02/2010, 12:03 PM

Nicely hammering my not-that-subtle joke home there peadar

**peadar1987** · 16/02/2010, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Nicely hammering my not-that-subtle joke home there peadar

Sorry, internet autism strikes again!

**luka** · 16/02/2010, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Interesting point. Pats got fined 15k last year for a technical enough issue. Even if Cork do (miraculously) receive a premier licence, would they then be subject to FAI fines? Of course clubs can't sue the FAI so it remains to be seen how far anyone brings it

Just on Cobh, it could simply be that they applied for only an A licence.

Ramblers applied for a Premier Licence as I'd assume every other club in last years first and prem, bar Kildare, did!

**Dodge** · 16/02/2010, 12:38 PM

Thanks for the clarification Luka. However I know some clubs in the past have only applied for a first division license (presumably in the knowledge they wouldn't achieve a premier license)

**pineapple stu** · 16/02/2010, 12:40 PM

If you can't afford a CPO, you're straight out of the running for a Premier licence.

**micls** · 16/02/2010, 12:45 PM

Shocked that this happened.

On the deflection of blame to the consortium:
There's very straightforward reasons why the consortium will only buy in the case of a premier licence. Why would a businessman, Grey, but 300k into debt of a first division club when there could be a debt free first division club run by one of his partners in the consortium in the league if he didnt. He could then look to invest in that (no guarantees obviously).

It simply wouldnt make business sense to anybody.

The consortium did not force the FAI to make this decision, if the FAI had denied a licence FORAS would have continued with the first division and the 2 lads would have walked away, not overly upset Id imagine.

This decision was the FAI's and the FAI's only.

**pineapple stu** · 16/02/2010, 1:03 PM

The extension of that logic is that you've bought promotion for E300k (or E500k or whatever) though.

Why would you put E300k into a company when you could start off debt free?

**micls** · 16/02/2010, 1:06 PM

Its 2 seperate things really.

There's us: FORAS And the 2 businessmen

For us its basically as I outlined on the other thread. a chance to save our club and buy into it.

For them it's a business opportunity. Both are owed money by the club as it stands, if the club is liquidated they stand to lose 250k between them so thats one reason they dont want that to happen.

They also believe a premier team with Europe can trade out of the debt and that they can make the clubs sustainable.

**Battery Rover** · 16/02/2010, 1:06 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

If you can't afford a CPO, you're straight out of the running for a Premier licence.

I dont recall CPO being on the application form this season. I know there was a full time general manager

**Battery Rover** · 16/02/2010, 1:07 PM

Originally Posted by luka

Ramblers applied for a Premier Licence as I'd assume every other club in last years first and prem, bar Kildare, did!

We only applied for a first.

**pineapple stu** · 16/02/2010, 1:11 PM

Originally Posted by Battery Rover

I dont recall CPO being on the application form this season. I know there was a full time general manager

Interesting; thanks.

Originally Posted by micls

For them it's a business opportunity. Both are owed money by the club as it stands, if the club is liquidated they stand to lose 250k between them so thats one reason they dont want that to happen.

They also believe a premier team with Europe can trade out of the debt and that they can make the clubs sustainable.

But they could save the club, be relegated and still be owed the money. What's the harm in that?

Are Cork allowed play in Europe this year? (Genuinely have no idea)

You'll forgive my scepticism over the idea that the investors think the club can become profitable and trade out of debt. Rarely a good phrase to hear from outside investors.

**tiktok** · 16/02/2010, 1:11 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Yeah but with no income you'd be docked points for going over the 65%

Seeing as we're talking hypotheticals

If we're going to get walkovers every game, why would we sign any players? We'd be well under the 65% protocol.

**Dodge** · 16/02/2010, 1:13 PM

Originally Posted by micls

The consortium did not force the FAI to make this decision, if the FAI had denied a licence FORAS would have continued with the first division and the 2 lads would have walked away, not overly upset Id imagine.

This decision was the FAI's and the FAI's only.

Slightly disengenious there. By informing the FAI that they'd only be willing to save the club if a premier license is obtained, they, at the very least, tried to influence the decision

That the FAI fell for it shouldn't absolve the proposed new owners from the charges being levelled at them today. Some of the same charges which FORAS and others levelled at TNB...

As for European football, that is by no means a foregone conclusion if a premier license is obtained. UEFA have far stricter financial criteria than the FAI

**micls** · 16/02/2010, 1:15 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

But they could save the club, be relegated and still be owed the money. What's the harm in that?

Smaller gates and income means longer to trade out of the debt. Very difficult division to get promoted out of too.

And the other option is on the table of the debt free club in the same division

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Are Cork allowed play in Europe this year? (Genuinely have no idea)

Ive no idea either tbh

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

You'll forgive my scepticism over the idea that the investors think the club can become profitable and trade out of debt. Rarely a good phrase to hear from outside investors.

In fairness to them, they mean over a long period of time and it would be a max of 200k debt according to the deal. One of them has made it clear he'd be willing to sell his shares to recoup his money so thats whats in it for him. Again harder to do with a first division club

Theyre not talking in terms of making loads of money or anything.

Of course I understand the skepticism but I also understand where the 2 lads are coming from.