Quotenot many british or irish kids do make it at inter.. not even robbie did granted he wasnt given a fair chance)Originally Posted by irishultra
Weren't there the lads at Triestina last year?
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not many british or irish kids do make it at inter.. not even robbie did granted he wasnt given a fair chance)
lots of "Irish" pubs though
Its really not that complicated!!!
You clearly know very little about "Irish mentality" so you really need to learn a bit more about the Irish diaspora. Apart from ancient history when the Irish traveled across Europe and became key political figures in Spain, Prussia, Russia, Germany and France, during the 1980s a huge proportion of Irish emigration was to the stronger European economies like Holland and Germany. We've already seen some dual nationality players emerge from this and we've discusse this in depth in other threads. Personally I have family members and friends living in Milan, Brussels, Buenos Aires and Sofia.
No place on here for sweeping generalisations about the Irish mentality ....... unless you are yapster, of course
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You clearly know very little about "Irish mentality" so you really need to learn a bit more about the Irish diaspora. Apart from ancient history when the Irish traveled across Europe and became key political figures in Spain, Prussia, Russia, Germany and France, during the 1980s a huge proportion of Irish emigration was to the stronger European economies like Holland and Germany. We've already seen some dual nationality players emerge from this and we've discusse this in depth in other threads. Personally I have family members and friends living in Milan, Brussels, Buenos Aires and Sofia.
No place on here for sweeping generalisations about the Irish mentality ....... unless you are yapster, of course
Now Now Mr Happy,Seriously this 'diaspora' stuff is pretty lame really. It's true that a lot of Irish people have gone and integrated in foreign lands but this diaspora crap is a joke. After 2 generations the Irishness is gone only to to celebated for one day with a drinkfest. It's funny the Irish going on about diaspora & Irishness when the Island of Ireland is made up from people of other lands down through the ages and today.
You said you were Irish-American yesterday iirc - i dont think you consider yourself irish at all after reading that which might explain the level of negativity in your posts. Serious WUM here i reckon.It's funny the Irish going on about diaspora & Irishness when the Island of Ireland is made up from people of other lands down through the ages and today.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Yapster, you've described yourself as Irish American in another post so I'd be interested to hear which one really applies. You've told us that players like Townsend and Houghton can't be Irish and English/Scottish so how can you describe yourself as Irish and American?
As for the diaspora I don't think you can speak for anyone but yourself. No doubt there is a dilution of Irishness after a couple of generations but the most relevant example I was quoting above was the Irish people who went to Germany and Holland in the 1980s - there are many many thousands of them still there. I think they might object to you describing the diaspora as "crap".
"There's man all over for you, blaming on his boots the fault of his feet" - Samuel Beckett, Waiting for Godot
im belgian and irish so i know what i'm talking about. you only have to see people talking about emmigration, despite having free movement in european union you see people mentioning how 'there is no where to emmigrate to'-its not a criticism its just reality, other nationalities are more able to adapt because they didn't have one of the largest economies in the world right next to them that wanted cheap labour.You clearly know very little about "Irish mentality" so you really need to learn a bit more about the Irish diaspora. Apart from ancient history when the Irish traveled across Europe and became key political figures in Spain, Prussia, Russia, Germany and France, during the 1980s a huge proportion of Irish emigration was to the stronger European economies like Holland and Germany. We've already seen some dual nationality players emerge from this and we've discusse this in depth in other threads. Personally I have family members and friends living in Milan, Brussels, Buenos Aires and Sofia.
No place on here for sweeping generalisations about the Irish mentality ....... unless you are yapster, of course
it doesnt really belong on this forum but its my opinion and i stand by it.
But I presume you're talking about the Irish people who are still in Ireland - there are hundreds of thousands of Irish people living all over the world (including all across Europe).
How can you say the Irish do not have the mentality to adapt to foreign cultures when a higher percentage of Irish citizens live abroad than the citizens of almost any other European country?
I'm not saying its for everybody which is why there are people in Ireland who say things like you cite above. However, you made the statement about all Irish people though so I thought I had to challenge you.
"There's man all over for you, blaming on his boots the fault of his feet" - Samuel Beckett, Waiting for Godot
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I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
No WUM,
I can assure you that you are wrong but posting drivel has become the order of the day here so work away.
From personal experience there are Irish communities alive and well across Europe. In Italy Rome would contain the largest (even removing the religious elements) mostly working in education, finance and business. German cities like Frankfurt have decent sized Irish communities, last time there I was at a function with more than 200 Irish, many of whom were there 5+ years. Then in Moscow you've a large Irish community, many here for over 15years and related to Irish companies doing business throughout the country (including Aer Rianta). In almost every instance the Irish have married into and become a part of the fabric of local society. And in many instances the Irish in countries just drifted off the radar and became fully local.
The biggest, according to the DFA, Irish community in Europe is in Brussels (surprise, surprise) and they lead the way in the Continental GAA stakes. If anyone has ever taken part in these events you'll know the craic that is had, especially when locals try to join in and get leathered by some mucker of a banger from Ballydehob who's sleeping on the floor of the cousins place for the weekend so that he can play.
When you next see them make sure and pat your parents on the back for being emmigration super hereoes
The thing that riles me most is that I, like lots of other posters on this board, have in the past lived in Continental Europe, in countries where English is not "spoken language" and I adapted just fine, Members of my own family live in continental Europe and they've adapted just fine also. There are Irish people living all over Europe right now, its just that very few of them are playing football!
And as for saying there are no Irish Communities in Europe, you've obviously never been to Marbella!
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I spent 3 months in Sweden last year and there was a very big Irish community there. No matter where u go in the world u will find Irish people living and thriving
Its really not that complicated!!!
Maybe none of them will make it at Inter but it opens up doors for them. Even if they where to only play in a lower English division, they probably would be with a professional club on a professional contract living nice and comfortably making more than most people in regular employment.
Anybody know what happened the guy that won it a few years ago when it was a contract with Chelsea?
ive never even heard of this tbh. maby it got bigger in last few years
my parents adapted just fine but that is a certain type of irish like u and your family. closer to boston than berlin as someone once saidWhen you next see them make sure and pat your parents on the back for being emmigration super hereoes
The thing that riles me most is that I, like lots of other posters on this board, have in the past lived in Continental Europe, in countries where English is not "spoken language" and I adapted just fine, Members of my own family live in continental Europe and they've adapted just fine also. There are Irish people living all over Europe right now, its just that very few of them are playing football!
And as for saying there are no Irish Communities in Europe, you've obviously never been to Marbella!
It's always been pretty big, and when you think of it very clear - EU! You've a large number of Irish working in and around the Parliament and it's attendant departments, added to that families of same and assorted staffers. Then throw in the Irish companies. law firms, lobby firms, tax advisors, Irish governmental and semi-governmental companies plugging Ireland there, and then the normal business, trade and working element and it's very large.ive never even heard of this tbh. maby it got bigger in last few years
I think the main thing/attraction, which kind of makes you smile, is that english is widely spoken as a second language amongst the EU'ers there.
Should add that very few first generation Irish who left/emigrated were going to try their luck in sport. Those who did (in the 70's/80's) were going to earn a crust and so many more than decent athletes fell through the net. And normally (according to sociological studies) the next generation will be pushed into academics (especially if the parents were trades or lower services) and only those with exceptional abilities are supported. It comes down to the 3rd generation (grandkids) who actually have the comfort zone to focus on less important things like sports (hence we had a blossoming in the 80's and 90's of an Irish diaspora whose grandparents within 10 years either side of the war).
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