Celtic-Barcelona official thread

**lopez** · 27/03/2004, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Dublin Bhoy

I'm sure everyone who is proud to be Irish and of the great achievements that the Paradise club have brought to us will agree anyway....

Above anything else, the club is a success story of the emigrant Irish in Glasgow and their descendents. Long may it continue.

**sylvo** · 27/03/2004, 1:05 PM

Originally Posted by lopez

Above anything else, the club is a success story of the emigrant Irish in Glasgow and their descendents. Long may it continue.

Well said.

**RebelBhoy** · 28/03/2004, 3:36 PM

Originally Posted by S�C

6points and closing in fast on FC Franco

Damn right. Up the international brigades (of the 30s)!

Real Madrid= Fascism FC

**lopez** · 28/03/2004, 4:31 PM

Originally Posted by RebelBhoy

Damn right. Up the international brigades (of the 30s)!

Real Madrid= Fascism FC

Does Barstardolona still have that cute little tie-in with Rangers that they sorted out in 2002?

**Paddy Ramone** · 29/03/2004, 7:54 AM

Originally Posted by S�C

My support for Barca has nothing to do with the amount of Catholics on their team. Its all about the spirt of the club.

I was only joking about supporting Barca because more Catholics played for them. Anyway being a Fascist myself I support Real Madrid, the side of the Great General Franco.

**lopez** · 29/03/2004, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Paddy Ramone

I was only joking about supporting Barca because more Catholics played for them. Anyway being a Fascist myself I support Real Madrid, the side of the Great General Franco.

Sorry you're misguided Paddy. Franco wasn't a Fascist. He was more of a conservative-cum-reactionary Catholic. Fascists - at least in theory - sought to do something for the working man; hailed the planned economy; and were anti-monarchist and anti-capitalist. Franco's priorities were the opposite of these and the only thing they all had in common was their pledge to destroy democracy.

His attitude to fascists can be seen from his stance towards the number one and two of the Falange prior to the SCW. Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera was executed by the Republicans in Alicante after Fat Frank refused to do a deal that would have saved him. Manuel Hedilla was arrested on trumped up charges and sentenced to death (later rescinded) after refusing to become an impotent part of Franco's 'rainbow' war government. The Falange were later fused together with the authoritarian Monarchists of the Carlists into the Spanish Traditional Falange (an oxymoron if ever there was one) later 'el movimiento.' Hence the name 'newshirts' for our friends from Madrid, taken from the de facto Spanish anthem of Fat Frank's reign 'Cara al sol' (Face the sun). The newshirt replacing the old blueshirt of the Primo's Falange and symbolically worn by the flood of converts that followed Franco's victory, who had no previous interest in fascism.

**liam88** · 29/03/2004, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by lopez

Above anything else, the club is a success story of the emigrant Irish in Glasgow and their descendents. Long may it continue.

HAIL! HAIL!

**Paddy Ramone** · 29/03/2004, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by lopez

Sorry you're misguided Paddy. Franco wasn't a Fascist. He was more of a conservative-cum-reactionary Catholic. Fascists - at least in theory - sought to do something for the working man; hailed the planned economy; and were anti-monarchist and anti-capitalist. Franco's priorities were the opposite of these and the only thing they all had in common was their pledge to destroy democracy.

His attitude to fascists can be seen from his stance towards the number one and two of the Falange prior to the SCW. Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera was executed by the Republicans in Alicante after Fat Frank refused to do a deal that would have saved him. Manuel Hedilla was arrested on trumped up charges and sentenced to death (later rescinded) after refusing to become an impotent part of Franco's 'rainbow' war government. The Falange were later fused together with the authoritarian Monarchists of the Carlists into the Spanish Traditional Falange (an oxymoron if ever there was one) later 'el movimiento.' Hence the name 'newshirts' for our friends from Madrid, taken from the de facto Spanish anthem of Fat Frank's reign 'Cara al sol' (Face the sun). The newshirt replacing the old blueshirt of the Primo's Falange and symbolically worn by the flood of converts that followed Franco's victory, who had no previous interest in fascism.

Thanks for correcting me there about Franco. But didn't Franco have links with the Nazis. I suppose the Irish Blueshirts weren't fascists in the truest sense either since most of them were middle class farmers and conservative right wing Catholics as far as I know.

**�anna** · 29/03/2004, 12:15 PM

Yeah, the Franco regime is always referred to as Francoist rather than fascist because it was all about him. The Falange Espanola was the closest thing that spain had to a fascist movement and they fought with Franco in the Civil war and at the end he very cleverly united a number of right-wing movements under the umbrella of Falange Espanola y las JONS which kept them all reasonably happy, but most importantly, kept him in power. the guy was only worried about number one- hence his partnerships with Hitler and Mussolini- he'd have taken help from anyone bar the Soviets if it had suited him.

**lopez** · 29/03/2004, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Paddy Ramone

Thanks for correcting me there about Franco. But didn't Franco have links with the Nazis. I suppose the Irish Blueshirts weren't fascists in the truest sense either since most of them were middle class farmers and conservative right wing Catholics as far as I know.

He did, but as we later saw he also had links with the Americans too, bringing them in to set up air bases in Spain as the quid pro quo for some dollars. He did however later claim that the only decent thing to come from it all was that the Yanks cleared out Madrid's brothels. As a footnote, it almost cost a lot more: An USAF jet carrying a nuclear bomb crashed into the see off the Costa Brava circa 1971. Luckily the b*stard didn't go off.

Fat Frank was deeply anti-communist (the link between the Nazis and the Yanks). While he was reluctant to fight the British and Americans (the former had given him a bit of a hand in the SCW) he sent a rake of soldiers (the Blue Division) to help the Nazis fight the Soviet Union.

**lopez** · 29/03/2004, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by �anna

The Falange Espanola was the closest thing that spain had to a fascist movement and they fought with Franco in the Civil war and at the end he very cleverly united a number of right-wing movements under the umbrella of Falange Espanola y las JONS which kept them all reasonably happy...

It became the Falange Espanola 'Tradicionalista' y de las JONS - JONS being a smaller fascist party that were big into national (or vertical) syndicalism where trade unions are based on national (vertical) lines and not class (and therefore horizontal) lines. The word 'Tradicionalista' was important here in that it changed the whole nature of the party to the extent it was no longer credible as a fascist organisation. It would be like a breakaway party from SF being called 'Unionist Sinn Fein.'

**Paddy Ramone** · 29/03/2004, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by lopez

It would be like a breakaway party from SF being called 'Unionist Sinn Fein.'

That wouldn't be the de Rossa's crowd the Workers Party-Democratic Left?

**parnell ranger** · 29/03/2004, 1:38 PM

Originally Posted by S�C

Overmars running at the Celtic defense should give me a fair few laughs.

4-1 to Barca with next years La Liga top scorer bagging one for his future club to at least allow the Celtic fans see Larson score one last time in Europe for them.

Who's the Celtic sub keeper? Eamon Collins?

jeez u didnt just put ure foot in it,u had a bath!