Fenlon for Dundee United?

[Longfordian]

That old adage about verbal agreements not being worth the paper they're written on springs to mind. Precedent suggests Fenlon will be able to go for nothing if he pushes it. A likely compromise would seem to be him writing off what he's owed and Dundee Utd paying it to him.

[LeixlipRed]

I can't help but laugh at this. This league truly is a complete shambles.

[de bowez]

That old adage about verbal agreements not being worth the paper they're written on springs to mind. Precedent suggests Fenlon will be able to go for nothing if he pushes it. A likely compromise would seem to be him writing off what he's owed and Dundee Utd paying it to him.

Except of course when Albion obtain a verbal agreement to buy part of the ground...

[De Town]

I can't help but laugh at this. This league truly is a complete shambles.

You're only realizing that now?

[Longfordian]

Except of course when Albion obtain a verbal agreement to buy part of the ground...

I've a feeling the signficant part of that deal was the €1m or so Albion handed over. In a somewhat similar situation Stephen Paisley was allowed leave us for nothing and go to Pats. We had a "verbal agreement" with him regarding a schedule of payments of money owed too. It went to a tribunal, he said he didn't really agree to anything just didn't want to make waves so didn't protest. He won his case. You're in big trouble in terms of protecting your rights if you don't pay what's owed when it's owed or at least get an agreement in writing.

[irishultra]

bye bye. seriously i dont care about him. get someone good in. what a joke it is though that it is deemed a step up for the title winning manager of a club to be going to some no hoper club in a country the same size as the one he just left. irish football is a joke.

[Hairy Bowsie]

bye bye. seriously i dont care about him. get someone good in. what a joke it is though that it is deemed a step up for the title winning manager of a club to be going to some no hoper club in a country the same size as the one he just left. irish football is a joke.

Ha ha, throwing your rattle out of the pram What a joker this guy is

[Mr A]

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...261820790.html

This is disputed by Bohemians officials who maintain verbal agreements had been reached with regard to a schedule for any payments due.

Isn't this a breach of licensing if true? Monies owed either had to be paid or a written agreement in place so time ago according to my understanding.

[LeixlipRed]

You're only realizing that now?

No, I just keeping getting bangs on the head and forgetting.

[VinnyDCFC]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/8440296.stm

08:45 GMT, Thursday, 7 January 2010


Dundee United could land Bohemians manager Pat Fenlon without paying compensation as he is owed money by the Dublin club.
Fenlon has agreed a contract in principle with the Scottish Premier League club after talks on Wednesday.

And he has told the League of Ireland club he is taking the job.

Bohemians are demanding compensation of around £250,000 for the 40-year-old, but he could be in the United dugout on Saturday and cost them nothing.


Fenlon, previously a Celtic scout in Ireland, might forego money due him by the Dublin club to cover any potential fee for compensation.

[pineapple stu]

Except of course when Albion obtain a verbal agreement to buy part of the ground...

I think that was covered by estoppel - in other words, there was no written agreement, but Bohs and Albion both acted in accordance with one (i.e. Albion paid money and Bohs accepted it).

Does Bohs' transfer embargo mean they can't sign any manager currently employed? Doolin seems the obvious replacement candidate unless they promote from within.

[HarpoJoyce]

Isn't this a breach of licensing if true? Monies owed either had to be paid or a written agreement in place so time ago according to my understanding.

Where did you get written agreement from?


It may in his contract that if another club that is over €5m in reported debt wishes to speak with him they can. (Dundee United £8m iin reported debt).

There's alot of Tennis Reportage going on at the moment, because both clubs havn't talked with each other. The Malone chap in The Irish Times has an accurate view on the situation.

Further note on Contracts. Performance is a big part of that and if it's shown every party was doing the job then it's not easy to show any breach.

[marinobohs]

Did those wage figures for Bohs cover only footballing wages, or certain players rather passive 'additional' roles for the club, such as barmen, groundskeepers, youth trainers, window cleaners, fluffers etc....?

Official FAI figures V internet gossip ? guess I will stick with the official figures this time

[marinobohs]

Isn't this a breach of licensing if true? Monies owed either had to be paid or a written agreement in place so time ago according to my understanding.

Not sure about the specifics of the Licencing requirements but I do know that verbal contracts have standing in Irish law (although not in British law which is what leads to confusion).
Bohs restructuring bonus payments (ifc that occurred) would presumably be the same as other clubs "reviewing" contracts and as long as it was done by agreement then should not be a problem.

On a seperate note (but mentioned in thread) the High Court did not find that there was a contract between Bohs and Albion but that Albion had a "reasonable expectation that one would be completed".

[HarpoJoyce]

Get a grip. Comical Gerry span him a line and he repeated it word for word. Nutsy has met Dundee United twice now and has a three year contract in his hand.

Its been reported before that Fenlon was owed money. He is free to talk to anyone, which is exactly what he has been doing for months now. Bohs are of course right to try and get some compo, but its increasingly obvious that he can, and will, walk for free.

Once a hoop etc.

Settle down, you'll need to explain all your points fully.

[HarpoJoyce]

Both clubs clearly have spoken to each other. Dundee Utd requested and got permission to talk to Fenlon. Bohs are haggling over compensation. So you are simply wrong there.

We know Fenlon met with Dundee United at least once and there is a disputed earlier meeting. Malone's report seems to be Bohs using the press to try and dampen talk of an already done deal. He is gone. 3 years. No compo.

Now, don't you feel better about settling down? Take another sip of blackcurrant tea. You have discarded the emotive, abusive labels. That's real progress.

My earlier post regarded the talk about a financial settlement. You have now clarified that 'Fenlon free to talk to anyone' you meant Bohemian FC gave Dundee Utd. to talk with Pat Fenlon. It's good you recognise that.

Your point about IT and Emmet Malone shows itself as just your own bias, once you've explained yourself I understand it as your own opinion.

The tennis reportage will continue....... take another sip now.

[Dodge]

Official FAI figures V internet gossip ? guess I will stick with the official figures this time

Yep, they've proved to be correct every time so far...

[Redie]

I can't help but laugh at this. This league truly is a complete shambles.

I cannot for the life of me see how these events reflect in any way on the League of Ireland.

[pól-dcfc]

Not sure about the specifics of the Licencing requirements but I do know that verbal contracts have standing in Irish law (although not in British law which is what leads to confusion)

Wrong. Verbal contracts have an identical standing to written contracts in British law. A contract is a contract, provided you can prove that it existed in the first place, or has been performed.

The issue here is that the licensing board specify a written agreement - utterly nothing to do with the standing of verbal contractual arrangements.

[marinobohs]

bye bye. seriously i dont care about him. get someone good in. what a joke it is though that it is deemed a step up for the title winning manager of a club to be going to some no hoper club in a country the same size as the one he just left. irish football is a joke.

Sorry, but thats utter rubbish irishultra - back to back leagues and an FAI and EA sports Cup for bonus. Nutseys ability to attract the best players to Dalymount is also a loss.
Huge act to follow.