Personnel for 2010

**bwagner** · 11/12/2009, 4:22 PM

What are your taughts for our squad outlook in 2010 ( Barring injuries etc)

Id like the following core squad:

Given
Westwood
Murphy

Dunne
O'Shea
Wilson
St. Ledger
Coleman
Bardsley
Matt connolly
Kevin Foley
Ward

Whelan
Andrews
Duff
Lawerence
Hunt
Mc Geady
Mc Cann
Fahey
A Reid
Ephraim
Darron Gibson
Darren ambrose

Keane
Best
Doyle
Folan
Stokes
Sheridan
Jutkiewicz
Dixon

**colster** · 11/12/2009, 4:31 PM

Originally Posted by bwagner

What are your taughts for our squad outlook in 2010 ( Barring injuries etc)

Id like the following core squad:

Given
Westwood
Murphy

Dunne
O'Shea
Wilson
St. Ledger
Coleman
Bardsley
Matt connolly
Kevin Foley
Ward

Andrews
Duff
Lawerence
Hunt
Mc Geady
Mc Cann
Fahey
A Reid
Ephraim
Darron Gibson
Darren ambrose

Keane
Best
Doyle
Folan
Stokes
Sheridan
Jutkiewicz
Dixon

What about Whelan, Garvan, S.Reid, O'Dea, Kelly etc. all of whom are actually available to Ireland instead of these prospective Irish you have included.

**TrapAPony** · 11/12/2009, 5:20 PM

I know some won't agree but at least this would be the panel of players I'd choose if ''I'' was Trap, taking into consideration that every 'Plastic Paddy' said Yes and also if one individual sorted his head out & returned from his exile.

Shay Given (Man City)
Andy Lonergan (Preston)
Kieran Westwood (Coventry)
Joe Murphy (Scunthorpe)
Brian Murphy (Ipswich)
_______________
Kyle Naughton (Tottenham)
Seamus Coleman (Everton)
Sean St. Ledger (Middlesbrough)
John O'Shea (Man Utd)
Stephen Kelly (Fulham)
Anton Ferdinand (Sunderland)
Richard Dunne (Aston Villa)
Gary Cahill (Bolton)
Matt Kilgallon (Sheffield Utd)
Steve Finnan (Portsmouth)
Kevin Foley (Wolves)
Kevin Kilbane (Hull City)
Stephen Ward (Wolves)
Phil Bardsley (Sunderland)
Marc Wilson (Portsmouth)
_______________
Darren Ambrose (Crystal Palace)
Damien Duff (Fulham)
Jamie O'Hara (Portsmouth)
Mark Noble (West Ham)
Kevin Nolan (Newcastle)
Steven Ireland (Man City)
Gary O'Neil (Middlesbrough)
Darron Gibson (Man Utd)
Andy Reid (Sunderland)
Stephen Hunt (Hull City)
Chris McCann(Burnley)
Keith Andrews (Blackburn)
Glen Whelan (Stoke)
Steven Reid (Blackburn)
Aidan McGeady (Celtic)
Liam Lawrence (Stoke)
_______________
Robbie Keane (Tottenham)
Kevin Doyle (Wolves)
Caleb Folan (Hull City)
Leon Best (Coventry)
Gary McSheffrey (Birmingham)

Simon Cox (WBA) - Don't know whether he has an Irish connection or not? Somebody before said he has, so I'd pick him if he does.

**twoenz** · 11/12/2009, 5:40 PM

Keogh's a better player than Darren Ambrose too.

**back of the net** · 11/12/2009, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by colster

What about Whelan, Garvan, S.Reid, O'Dea, Kelly etc. all of whom are actually available to Ireland instead of these prospective Irish you have included.

agreed colster

**Jicked** · 11/12/2009, 11:23 PM

Jesus wept. How many times have you seen Jutkiewicz play then?

**Ciaran W** · 12/12/2009, 12:09 AM

Who is jutkiewicz ?

**Crosby87** · 12/12/2009, 12:18 AM

Honestly i think the whole thing should be constantly about 2014. Anyone not playing in 2014 should not be selected.

**Colbert Report** · 12/12/2009, 12:49 AM

I agree with Crosby. Time to rebuild. Realistically the only player who will not be available to us in 2014 is Kilbane, although I doubt that Duff will still be in the squad by then.

I'd like to see Mark Wilson, Seamus Coleman, and Conor Clifford break into the first team sometime in the next four years. I think that Clifford is the next big thing for us.

**irishfan86** · 12/12/2009, 1:00 AM

I don't believe in "building for the future" in international football.

You take it on a campaign by campaign basis, and use the best players available. Our goal should be to qualify for Euro 2012, by using the best players available, whether they are 20 years old, or 36 years old.

I don't think we enjoy enough success to write the Euros off as a meaningless competition that should be used for "re-building." Let's continue with this core of players, and try to do as well as we can now. Let the young players develop with their clubs. 4 days every couple of months will do very little overall for a young player's development.

If these players demonstrate that they can be effective at club level, then we can use them for the national side.

**Colbert Report** · 12/12/2009, 1:07 AM

Originally Posted by irishfan86

I don't believe in "building for the future" in international football.

You take it on a campaign by campaign basis, and use the best players available. Our goal should be to qualify for Euro 2012, by using the best players available, whether they are 20 years old, or 36 years old.

I don't think we enjoy enough success to write the Euros off as a meaningless competition that should be used for "re-building." Let's continue with this core of players, and try to do as well as we can now. Let the young players develop with their clubs. 4 days every couple of months will do very little overall for a young player's development.

If these players demonstrate that they can be effective at club level, then we can use them for the national side.

Normally I would agree with you 100% but seriously in the case of Kevin Kilbane, it is time to get someone else young and full of **** and vinegar in there. He's the only one I'd swap out. Foley at Wolves should get his shot to stake a place in the team.

**irishfan86** · 12/12/2009, 1:21 AM

I have no problem with replacing Kilbane if there is an obviously better option out there, and certainly we should be looking at different players for that position in the friendlies between now and the Euro qualifying campaign.

Ward at Wolves is probably the #1 contender, but there are a number of alternative options out there:

-give more playing time to Nolan.
-switch O'Shea to left-full and slot one of our many promising right-fulls into their natural position (yes I realize O'Shea hasn't played much here for a few years now, but I believe he can still do it if required).

The main point of my above post was not to replace a borderline starter like Kilbane, but rather if we have a clearly better older player who can still contribute, there's no point in dropping them for the sake of youth. Our younger players will only get better if they have to train, and compete for places, with our top senior players.

**Colbert Report** · 12/12/2009, 2:05 AM

Originally Posted by irishfan86

I have no problem with replacing Kilbane if there is an obviously better option out there, and certainly we should be looking at different players for that position in the friendlies between now and the Euro qualifying campaign.

Ward at Wolves is probably the #1 contender, but there are a number of alternative options out there:

-give more playing time to Nolan.
-switch O'Shea to left-full and slot one of our many promising right-fulls into their natural position (yes I realize O'Shea hasn't played much here for a few years now, but I believe he can still do it if required).

The main point of my above post was not to replace a borderline starter like Kilbane, but rather if we have a clearly better older player who can still contribute, there's no point in dropping them for the sake of youth. Our younger players will only get better if they have to train, and compete for places, with our top senior players.

You're right, I meant Ward, not Foley. Who do you mean when you say our promising right full backs? Mark Wilson and Seamus Coleman? Who else is there coming through at that position? I can't think of anyone off-hand right now myself.

**irishfan86** · 12/12/2009, 2:26 AM

Promising right full backs:

-Kevin Foley
-Marc Wilson
-Seamus Coleman
-Eddie Nolan

Perhaps Kyle Naughton if he decides to switch.

**twoenz** · 12/12/2009, 9:08 AM

This is one of the last chances that a lot of our players have of getting to a major tournament, and wasn't the last campaign about rebuilding? I can't see many changes in personnel come the first game of the qualifiers. Kilbane might step aside, I can't really see any of the players that came to the fore during the last campaign taking a back seat, and none of the older players moving about a lot. Trap's not exactly one that likes to change things too much.

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**Ciaran W** · 12/12/2009, 10:13 AM

Wayne rooneys little brother wants to play for ireland

**Fixer82** · 12/12/2009, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by bwagner

What are your taughts for our squad outlook in 2010 ( Barring injuries etc)

My TAUGHTS would be that I should be learnt my grammars better.

I'd have the same basic squad with Finnan and two Reids back. I'd also have another look at Darryl Murphy, Keith Fahy, Damien Delaney, Kevin Folwy and Stephen Ward in a few friendlies.

Wouldnt let Stephen Ireland back if he begged!!!

**bwagner** · 12/12/2009, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by colster

What about Whelan, Garvan, S.Reid, O'Dea, Kelly etc. all of whom are actually available to Ireland instead of these prospective Irish you have included.

I included Whelan guys
S Reid i wish to god he was fit but he has missed four from five games with QPR - we gota be realistic.
O'Dea cant get a game at a reading team leaking goals.
Likewise for Kelly.
Garvan must be included also your right.

**bwagner** · 12/12/2009, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Fixer82

My TAUGHTS would be that I should be learnt my grammars better.

I'd have the same basic squad with Finnan and two Reids back. I'd also have another look at Darryl Murphy, Keith Fahy, Damien Delaney, Kevin Folwy and Stephen Ward in a few friendlies.

Wouldnt let Stephen Ireland back if he begged!!!

There is always one gob****e - My 1st language is German please remember that Professor