no, as much as we'd all like to believe this, it's on the FAI website, they've admitted to making the request.Originally Posted by DeLorean
also, Tiktok, it's so obvious that you have kids, no other way you'd have the patience to actually respond to Emmet's posts!!!
Exactly. Blatter spins and they all bite. Let Mr Blatter get on with his job and stop annoying him John. Sure the whole world is laughing at us. Delaney has gone up in my estimation and is doing his job.Funny how so many people get sucked in by a Blatter spin at a press conference.
Embarrassed by the level of gullibility going around
Breaking news: Stephen Ireland has issued a late plea to be added as a 24th member of any squad who have already qualified for the World Cup after someone told him it was unfair that Ireland would not be playing at the World Cup. John Delaney has stated that Ireland would consider adding Ireland as a 24th member of the Ireland Squad should both Ireland and Ireland be successful in their appeals.
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Yeah, good point.
And it's obvious you never fully grew up given your level of immaturity.no, as much as we'd all like to believe this, it's on the FAI website, they've admitted to making the request.
also, Tiktok, it's so obvious that you have kids, no other way you'd have the patience to actually respond to Emmet's posts!!!
Time to put you on ignore now cause I just can't be a*sed reading anything you have to say.
We didn't lose in the sporting sense of the word, when will that finally penetrate that skull of yours?
If an athlete wins a race and has later been found to have cheated, taken tons of steroids, etc, what's the proper course of action?
It's to cancel their final placing, disqualify them, strip them of their medal and award the victory to the second place athlete.
This goes beyong Ireland vs France another thing which fails to get through to some people.
It's basically a question of catching cheaters in soccer and punishing them and rewarding those who play the sport honestly. That issue will be as valid a 1000 years from now if people are still playing soccer. It's not a case of forgetting Ireland v France, it's a case of punishing cheaters in soccer, instead of turning a blind eye to what they do.
However in FIFA land, those who cheat are rewarded, those who play fairly are punished.
It is my opinion that the FAI are not an international embarrassment. John Delaney has a bit of leverage here and seems to be using it. Maybee hardcore football fans may see us as sore loosers but he whole world has been talking about this, people who have no interest in football and live thousands of miles from Lansdown Rd. are still chatting about this. FIFA are not concerned about the hardcore football fan, they already have that market cornered, they are concerned about the fare weather fan or fans of other sports. It is here where so much damage has been done. Delaney should take any advantage as the global audience see FIFA as the embarrassment and not the FAI
we looked from Montrose to Swords, from swords to Montrose and from Montrose to Swords again but already it was impossible to spot UCDs right winger
well it wasnt until about 3 hours ago and this request will disappear from peoples minds long before the cheating does
ah come on now, that's being ridiculous.
best team in the known universe, maybe.
I would like to believe that, based on the official statement, the FAI were inquiring into the possibility of Ireland being accommodated at the World Cup in the possibility of another country pulling out or being kicked out. That is fair to inquire after, I believe. Being number 33 is an embarrassment, and logistically impossible.
But reading the statement again, and again, it becomes a little more mystifying. It is very carefully phrased:
A lot was discussed at the meeting and at one stage the FAI asked if Ireland could be accommodated into the World Cup 2010.
"At one stage". What does this mean, I wonder to myself? It is so carefully put, as though to avoid someone taking an action out for saying otherwise. Blatter could not get away with saying this without some backing - a long time PR man, he knows his roads.
The thought that keeps crossing my mind is that after an hour of investigating other things, and another hour of pleading for a replay, and FIFA saying "we really want to help you but there is nothing we can do", Delaney realising the futility throws an pen on the desk and says, almost to no-one and to everyone "well, you could let us come anyway". Followed by 20 minutes of FIFA lawyers writing everything down and Sepp smiling out saying "I am afraid that will be quite impossible, Mr Delaney", while stroking his white cat and thinking to himself that this small time Irishman with all his own hair will regret failing to vote for him in the elections for president.
That thought does continue to see Blatter appearing in the next scene in the underground bunker in a silvery suit with a man with heavy voice regularly saying things liek "T minus seventeen minutes... and counting...", but that is hardly relevant here. What Blatter does in his private life is not yet of concern to the Irish football fan.
That question was less stupid, though you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
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we should play it in the conga - where algeria and egypt played! it wud be mental
There are VAST differences between individual events in athletics and team events. Let's say that Thierry Henry was found to have taken performance enhancing drugs, why should Franck Ribery be denied a place in the World Cup finals. The standard and correct course of action for Drug taking [your own example] is that the individual and not the team are punished, otherwise we'd be in trouble too thanks to Paddy Kenny. The fact of the matter is that intentional handball isn't a red card offence, let alone an offence warranting a lengthy ban. We've been hard done by, it's disgusting, but it happens every single week of the year to some team.
I'm glad to see that you've come around to this issue being about getting cheating out football though, maybe now we can concentrate on the real issues surrounding the incident and the match, making sure that it doesn't happen again, making use of the technology that's available to us and give up on this 33rd team/replay nonsense.
The best comment I've seen around all this issue came [I think] from Arsene Wenger when he made the point that millions upon millions of people watching on TV knew within seconds that the goal should have been disallowed, but the one man on whom the decision to award a goal rested was not allowed to take advantage of the Tv pictures.
That's the issue here, plain and simple, the actual football issue.
All the rest is smokescreen to put pressure on FIFA to give us a 2012/13 Champions league final or a bit of cash so that we'll stop embarassing them and ourselves and will go away and not have to worry so much about the costs incurred on the Aviva stadium.
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I do realise that circumstances were completely different but I recall 2005/06 Champions League when Liverpool failed to qualify through their league position, they were allowed back into the qualifiers. UEFA wanted their champions in and thus allowed them back in. One can't help but wonder if FIFA would have been more accomodating towards France had it been the other way round.
Last edited by Scooby Doo; 30/11/2009 at 2:59 PM.
Just on Emmett's point about kicking out drug cheats in athletics, it's not quite the same in football.
In athletics an athlete gets DQed and the next athlete is awarded his place. In our instance Ireland were not beating France and wouldn't have even if Henry's handball had been spotted.
We have been defrauded out of a possible world cup spot (yes it might still have gone to penalties where we still had a 50-50 chance).
It's only right we seek some sort of recompense for this.
To not seek redress would be to add to the injustice.
When a crime is carried out, it's only natural to seek justice, by whatever means, putting pressure on FIFA, getting them to change their rules, showing them up to have flawed processes.
Their rules in regard to appealing a match result are flawed. Anyone sensible would see Ireland have grounds for an appeal, clear grounds.
Even in GAA, video evidence is used to suspend players. I know it happens in soccer too.
But the rules of the game were grossly infringed. While it may be late for Ireland, FIFA are hesitating and I see no firm committment to any rule changes to stop it happening again.
For what it's worth, putting extra officials behind the goal line is not the answer in my opinion. Because it's still quite easy for these officials to miss everything that's going on.
What happened I believe in Paris is the linesman was solely focused on the player/s returning from an offside position and was watching to see if they touched the ball and that's why I think the linesman missed Henry's handball which happened very fast. Putting a guy behind the line, he could have missed it too or like the ref in Paris chosen not to see it.
Look at rugby, what use would an extra ref be, in the goalmouth area for spotting trys? Once everyone falls over on the ball, it's almost impossible to see a touchdown without slowmotion video evidence from a number of angles.
Many things happen in soccer which are too fast for the human eye and need to be slowed down.
Cheating is cheating regardless of the sport. If you look up cheating in the dictionary I'm sure it says something like gaining and using an unfair advantage to beat your opponent.
There is no real extremes when it comes to cheating. It's either cheating or it isn't. People say Henry didn't cheat because the ref didn't see it.
lads is there any chance of this happening ?? blatter didnt seem to dismiss it out of hand did he ?
Have the FAI made an official statement on this yet? Just wondering as I just heard Blatter on the radio explaining how the FAI asked to be made the 33rd team and him and his cronies were almost pishing themselves laughing as he announced this to reporters. While I wouldn't put it past the FAI to do this I wonder is Blatter playing it up a little as well knowing that it makes the FAI look stupid thus almost invalidating their other legitimate points re: using video technology in the future, etc.
I'll put it like this. He announced it to uproarious laughter from his lackeys and then he had a good chuckle himself.
might aswell give it a go. fifa will have to do something to improve their extremely tarnished image and it would be a very popular move across the world(except for costa rica or if we ended up in your group).
anyway all fifa think about is the money and allowing ireland in would increase their revenue from the tournament.
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