I don't think any of this is about sour grapes.
It is all about fair play. There is a difference. Had we lost fairly and we complained that would be sour grapes.
If someone steals your wallet, is it sour grapes to complain? That's what some of the forgive and forget folks make out.
Anyways, the hypocrisy of FIFA is pretty blatent. It is a sham of an organisation, a mickey mouse institution. The WC will be more like EuroDisney than a serious football competition because of FIFA.
Did it take this to make that clear? The world cup is a football themed marketing exhibition, and FIFA is an advertising agency. It has not been about the football since at least the 1970s, if it even was then. Good of the game me ***** ******.Originally Posted by Emmet7
That question was less stupid, though you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
Help me, Arthur Murphy, you're my only hope!
Now?
It has never been a serious infringement of the rules.
Intentional handball is a yellow card offence, that's the extent of it.
As for your nonsense about stealing our wallet....
Just close the thread, please!
FIFA are a shambles, but they have been for decades, and they would have been exactly the same shambles run by exactly the same idiots even if we had qualified. It's not like FIFA = Farce is new information.
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could they not have charged him with the catch-all ungentlemanly conduct or bringing the game in to disrepute?
if they really wanted to punish him in some way they could have found a way. when cantona kicked that fan that time he wasnt on the field of play but still got a lengthy ban
use of the hand to stop a goal is a straight red so why shouldnt scoring (or setting up a score) be deemed a red also?
Have to disagree with you there. The VERY least that should have emerged out of all this is that something should have been put in place to ensure it doesn't happen again. I could just about stomach it then. Henry had everything to gain and absolutley nothing to loose by breaking the rule, and that gap is still there to be exploited. It shows how little regard FIFA have for the integrity of the sport.
I hope the ***** in FIFA get the tournament they deserve. FYI There's companies selling Stab Vests in the colours of respective countries competing. FIFA are snapping. More about how it reflects on their "brand" rather than the fans safety I'd imagine. I hope the tournament riddled with security problems and drug scandals. (No deaths obviously for anyone about to mount their pedastel)
bleating about no legal foundation for punishing Henry is making me sick, FIFA are the ones who set the laws, so why not do something about it?
I've a terrible feeling that the next time something like this happens (and it will happen again) the powers that be will just point to this ruling, shrug their shoulders, and let it happen over and over again
it suits FIFA that they can do nothing in this case but you can be sure if it was a lesser country they would have found a way to punish the player involved.
which was worse henrys cheating or liam bradys alleged clip round the ear that he gave the bulgarian player in '87? brady got a three match ban yet henry gets off scot free
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Punished at last
It's a straight red because that's the ruling when someone denies a clear goalscoring opportunity, the mode of the offence [handball, tackle etc.,] is irrelevant.
There is no parallel rule for unfairly scoring a goal being a red card offence.
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I think the opposite actually. If it happens again but hinders one of the big dogs, it'll be acted upon and closed out.
A player raising his hands to the face/head of an opponent is always going to draw a stronger reaction than a handball.which was worse henrys cheating or liam bradys alleged clip round the ear that he gave the bulgarian player in '87? brady got a three match ban yet henry gets off scot free
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but it is still a red. i know the opposite does not apply and thats the question i was posing.... why not? its double standards and discriminates against defenders
agree. but which had a greater impact on the result of the game? clearly henrys
I don't think it is realistic to expect FIFA to make up a new rule and punish Henry retrospectively for it. I would be a terrible precedent to set. Any punishment should be in line with existing rules.
So, what are some existing rules under which he could have been punished?
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bringing the game into disripute?
Once again it needs to be pointed out that Ireland are out of the World Cup not because of the handball goal. But because we failed to take our chances to score a second.
Remember at the time of that goal, we were drawing. At best it would have gone to penalties. A second goal and we would have won the tie, even with Henry's handball goal we would have won on away goals.
The offence being punished is denying a clear goalscoring opportunity, not the handball in of itself, that's just the vehicle by which the offence is committed [as in, violent conduct is the offence, the rules don't break it down further, whether you use your fist, a headbutt or a kick is irrelevant, the violent conduct is the offence you're punished against]
Henry's did certainly, but that's irrelevant because incidents and fouls have to be judged on an objective basis. Now whether that should be the case, you can argue, but the fact of the matter is that it's the way things are.
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yes, but its about time that clear cheating such as deliberate handball, pulling back a player in the box etc before putting the ball in the net should be treated the same as offences that deny a goal scoring chance are. at the moment someone can fist the ball into the net in the hope of getting away with it and if they are caught, ah well, heres a yellow and dont do it again. defenders dont get such leniency
Yeah, I think that'd be fair enough. Costing a goal by cheating should carry the same weight as scoring a goal by cheating.
However, applying that retrospectively isn't a runner. You can only charge people against the rules that were there at the time of the offence, so henry really doesn't have a case to answer in terms of a ban, even if they did place one on him, he'd win on appealing it.
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Could stand corrected on this one, - wasn't Brady's ban a UEFA imposed band as opposed to FIFA?which was worse henrys cheating or liam bradys alleged clip round the ear that he gave the bulgarian player in '87? brady got a three match ban yet henry gets off scot free
Quoting years at random since 1975
Wasn't Brady sent off in that match? As the ref took no action against Henry, the matter ends there.
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