Id say you have about 15-20 years max before there is a nationalist majority. http://ulstersdoomed.blogspot.com/se...bel/Demography
The "NI" state will not exist long after that so a football team will be out of the question.
I would respectfully refer you to the history of the game - in particular, the year 1882.
And, what I said is correct.
On the basis that there is a United Kingdom (which, I believe there will be for hundreds of years to come), Northern Ireland will remain a part of it, for so long as the greater number of people in Northern Ireland wish it to remain so.
What people think elsewhere about that, is irrelevant.
So, you support the idea of an "All UK" team?
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The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Id say you have about 15-20 years max before there is a nationalist majority. http://ulstersdoomed.blogspot.com/se...bel/Demography
The "NI" state will not exist long after that so a football team will be out of the question.
Well, really, there are other options.
I'm sure you can work them out - at least one "fcuk them pesky unionists" contributor has alluded to one of them earlier in the thread.
The United Kingdom won't be falling apart any time soon - certainly not in your lifetime. So, don't be losing to much sleep creaming yourself over the thought of Irish "Unity" (sic) through default.
I heard the same thing 40 years ago.
Keep taking the hallucination pills.
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The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Keep living in denial. Demographics dont lie.
In the 2007 assembly election Nationalists were only 42,000 votes off a majority. It was only 32,000 in this years euro elections although i would'nt count this as the turnout was low.
Assuming a strong correlation between religion and political preference. ie catholic/nationalist and protestant/unionist
The population of NI under the age of 28 years old has a catholic majority.
This is supported by yearly births being by majority catholic parents, school/college goers are majority catholic.
Two thirds of deaths in Nortern Ireland are protestant.
That's rich, coming from you - the author of quotes straight out of the BNP book of political thinking.
The BNP are no "mates" of mine - scum of the highest order. How any Loyalist could support them is beyond me. Our forefathers would be turning in their graves at the thought of any Loyalist giving credance to such vermin.
More of a Conservative, me. They seem to support the Union.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Why not read my earlier response to John B.up thread before you 're-write' history, which seems to be a habit of certain unionists.
Anyway, it doesn't include the logic of selecting from a wider pool of players, as pointed out in a number of other posts. Which is the case with numerous other Irish sports teams!
Even one or two of your 'compatriots' acknowledge this, even though they're not currently in favour for the soccer!
I'm not in denial.
I believe, honestly, that Northern Ireland's place within the Union is safe for many years to come.
And - with Marty and Gerry's continued help, it'll become even safer.
Best keep the topic here football related - if you want to discuss "demographics", no problem...but not here.
Furthermore, in the (highly unlikely) event of you being right, I'm sure you'll be upholding the right of any player born in Northern Ireland to elect to play for either one of the other British Associations (or, indeed, an "All UK" team)
That "logic" also dictates that many players born in Northern Ireland would be denied the opportunity (which they get at present) to perform on the International stage.
We're not interested KK - just get that into your napper, and let it go.
If you want a wider pool to pick from - look elsewhere. I'm sure there's loads of guys in the USA eligible to play for you?
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The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
More fool them. Why?
And clearly you choose to ignore the links the BNP/Tories have to Loyalists & unionists. They all come out from under the same stone, with varying degrees of anti-Irish rhetoric, amongst others, when it suits their them or their constituency.
Though to be fair to the unionists & Conservatives, they have learnt to be a little more conciliatory in recent times....
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
I think demographics are very relevant in the context of an All Ireland team or the status quo.
If there was a vote carried for a UI tomorrow, it would automatically mean a UI team.
I dont know how you feel so confident that Northern Ireland's place within the Union is safe for many years to come.
Do you choose to ignore demographic thrends? Do you not believe there will be a nationalist majority by approx 2020?
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Gather Round.
You honestly believe that the nationalist minority which started at 33% in 1921 will miracuously stop at 46%? Believe that if you want. The facts suggest otherwise. Unionists are in denial so Im not suprised by your attitude.
Any liks for the "analyses you have read"?
Ah plan B. Repartition. Did you ever read the GFA. It gives two options UI or status quo. Repartition is not a runner under any circumstances.
Yes I can count. Your 41.3% and 124,000 is based on "nationalist" vs "unionist" and "other" cumulatively. ie the green party and alliance are not designated nationalist or unionist. Trust me it was 42,000.
Given the contentious nature of the subject matter and the numerous associated issues, the debate has been fairly reasoned so far.
At worst, there may have been 'childish' banter but we're all human !
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Childish banter on political subjects - even footie politics - is WUMming in my book. If it's not intended as a WUM, someone will construe it as one. Same result.
Not Brazil, have a look at MultiQuote, it's very easy to use.
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