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    Quote Originally Posted by cavan_fan View Post
    Is anyone else getting p*ssed off with the small number of people on here who are taking such glee in our defeat. We know you dont like the Ireland team, we know you think that FAI clubs are under supported, we know you dont like British clubs and especially Irish people supporting them, we know we are being slightly irrational in our anger, we know worse things happen in life, we know things arent going to get changed, we just want to be angry.
    Yeah but the whole "I support an eircom league team with zealous vitriol and am soooooo much better than you; and to prove it I'll always be happy when the Irish national team are defeated!" complex is like a broken record here at times - the easiest thing is to just hit the ignore button on them when they go off on a spamming rant.

    I used to go to Bray Wanderers matches when I was a kid, I'm not sure I'd want to go if these holier-than-thou type of fans attend. I've been to league matches in Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, Portugal, Spain, Scotland, Costa Rica, Armenia, Argentina, Italy and the Czech Republic as well as England so I probably would be deemed a persona non grata of spectacular magnitude by these sanctimonious supporter police anyway. The notion of someone just loving the game of football irrespective of who or where it's being played is clearly an anathema to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo View Post
    Yeah but the whole "I support an eircom league team with zealous vitriol and am soooooo much better than you; and to prove it I'll always be happy when the Irish national team are defeated!" complex is like a broken record here at times - the easiest thing is to just hit the ignore button on them when they go off on a spamming rant.

    I used to go to Bray Wanderers matches when I was a kid, I'm not sure I'd want to go if these holier-than-thou type of fans attend. I've been to league matches in Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, Portugal, Spain, Scotland, Costa Rica, Armenia, Argentina, Italy and the Czech Republic as well as England so I probably would be deemed a persona non grata of spectacular magnitude by these sanctimonious supporter police anyway. The notion of someone just loving the game of football irrespective of who or where it's being played is clearly an anathema to them.
    not at all - stop creating an imaginary scenario that would never happen. You would be welcomed warmly at EVERY ground in the country.

    LOI fans who post on here maybe come across as arseholes because 1) we believe that an Irish person who claims to love the game of football should endeavour to actively support an Irish team (as well as a foreign team if they like) and 2) the people who refuse to acknowledge any quality in the league and instead gain their kowledge from watching premiership highlights on Saturday evenings.
    I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.

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    It's just the way some people carp on and on about it here you'd think that they would want to banish anyone who had the temerity to attend some club game(s) abroad. The desire some seem to have in belittling and castigating anyone with an intrest in foreign football doesnt present a very positive image.

    Also can't people accept that some fans support the national team with all their heart. Many regulars on here dreamed of going to the World Cup and supporting Ireland there in South Africa. As a nation we're not like France, Germany or Brazil, we cant expect to go to almost every World Cup - it's a thrill if we just make it to one a decade. Can't people accept that some of us on here have an eternal hope of just seeing the national team playing in front of us at a World Cup, and our biggest fear is never being able see Ireland at a tournament. There are lots of people on here who will have saved up for months just be able to go to South Africa and watch the boys in green, and for it to be taken away so late in such a manner is a hammer blow. Imagine how an older fan will feel now, say someone in their 50s or 60s - they might not have been able to afford going to Italia 90, USA 94 or Japan 02, and now they might not get the chance to see Ireland at a World Cup. I'm not saying that there should be protests at embassies, or a replay or Henry should be banned for life or anything like that, but everyone must understand that there are so many disappointed people on here and to have some of these petty jibes from certain people and their apparent revelling in the failure of the national team is very hard to fathom.

    I accept that not every eircom league fan has the hate-the-national team / holier-than-thou attitude. But there seem to be a certain number who revel in it... maybe in any forum polarised views tend to come to the fore more than in real life, but there is a time and a place for everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4tothefloor View Post
    The irony here is that your points are all hypocritical as well Niall. You're banging on about fans being hypocrits and coming out with stuff like "he's a cheat so what" or just accept it as it happens all the time. But that's the problem, it happens all the time. So when are people going to take a stand and get this crap stamped out of our game? Well we're certainly not going to achieve it with your "just accept it" attitude. If nobody kicks up a fuss, how can these wrongs be put right?

    It's time video refs were brought in. It's time that players were retrospectively punished for cheating. It's time that incompetent referees and assistants were brought to task for their decisions. It's time that the game of football was cleaned up and it's integrity restored. And that applies to every team and player regardless of whether you're Ronaldo, Gerrard, Keane or Henry.

    I haven't spent my hard earned money following Ireland to be sat in Paris being told "ah sure it happens all the time, just have to accept it". Bulls**t, we do not have to accept it and we are dead right to kick up as big a fuss as we can. And it's no coincidence that the whole of Europe, including the French, agree with us as well.

    I am not embarrassed for what we are doing in Ireland, and the fuss we are kicking up. I am embarrassed though for football and people like Roy Keane. Would this happen in rugby? Absolutely not
    I don't remember you kicking up a storm at the many Stevie G dives to be fair man, why was that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    Sure, your opinion matters most, it is most valuable input in the history of foot.ie. No other opinion matters.


    Imagine the cheek of somebody to tell you that you are wrong, they must be the biggest morons in Ireland. How can they not recognise your wisdom.

    Or was it some people having an opinion on a football matter trying to express it to an opinionated gobs with an exaggerated view of his own importance.
    So if I were an accountant I should take the opinion of someone who has looked at their bank balance once or twice a year on board? what?


    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    I can believe that happens often.
    Ho Ho



    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    McGeady was not sent off for diving, he picked up a yellow card. It takes 2 yellow cards to be sent off.
    Oh sorry, he was only given a yellow for being a cheat, not a red for being a cheat, that totally negates him being a cheat and the Celtic fans being hypocrites. Ho Ho

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    Quote Originally Posted by jebus View Post
    So if I were an accountant I should take the opinion of someone who has looked at their bank balance once or twice a year on board? what?
    With your lack of attention to the finer details you would not make a good accountant yet you probably would think you were the best around and impervious to correction.

    Oh sorry, he was only given a yellow for being a cheat, not a red for being a cheat, that totally negates him being a cheat and the Celtic fans being hypocrites. Ho Ho
    Making a statement like McGeady got sent off for diving is indeed inaccurate and indicates a lack of mature attention to what us folk call the finer details of the game, sacrificing accuracy in order to embellish a hysterical outburst.

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    I thought the ref had a very good game and feel a bit sorry for him. The linesman seemed to have a good view of it and you would hope he would have spotted it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakermaker1982 View Post
    I thought the ref had a very good game and feel a bit sorry for him. The linesman seemed to have a good view of it and you would hope he would have spotted it.
    he may have had a good game up to that point, but he monumentally ****ed up the big decision. He obviously didn't see it. Given was shouting handball before the ball even went in, every irish player surrounded the ref within seconds to complain. All the ref had to do was use some common sense. Wait a few seconds, go over and have a chat with his linesman. While over there he might just realise why the Irish were complaining so vigourously. Instead he decided to wave away the protests, not bother going to the linesman and discussing it, and then having the gaule to tell the Irish players that Henry controlled with his chest, when he in no way could have seen that.
    Hugh Dallas was the ref adjudicator for the night and he saw the handball from the stand

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo View Post
    It's just the way some people carp on and on about it here you'd think that they would want to banish anyone who had the temerity to attend some club game(s) abroad. The desire some seem to have in belittling and castigating anyone with an intrest in foreign football doesnt present a very positive image.

    Also can't people accept that some fans support the national team with all their heart. Many regulars on here dreamed of going to the World Cup and supporting Ireland there in South Africa. As a nation we're not like France, Germany or Brazil, we cant expect to go to almost every World Cup - it's a thrill if we just make it to one a decade. Can't people accept that some of us on here have an eternal hope of just seeing the national team playing in front of us at a World Cup, and our biggest fear is never being able see Ireland at a tournament. There are lots of people on here who will have saved up for months just be able to go to South Africa and watch the boys in green, and for it to be taken away so late in such a manner is a hammer blow. Imagine how an older fan will feel now, say someone in their 50s or 60s - they might not have been able to afford going to Italia 90, USA 94 or Japan 02, and now they might not get the chance to see Ireland at a World Cup. I'm not saying that there should be protests at embassies, or a replay or Henry should be banned for life or anything like that, but everyone must understand that there are so many disappointed people on here and to have some of these petty jibes from certain people and their apparent revelling in the failure of the national team is very hard to fathom.

    I accept that not every eircom league fan has the hate-the-national team / holier-than-thou attitude. But there seem to be a certain number who revel in it... maybe in any forum polarised views tend to come to the fore more than in real life, but there is a time and a place for everything.
    Well said man. Ireland getting to the WC would have been a ray of light in the current environment enveloping Ireland. Dreams are important. I know its just a game but the progress of the Irish football team means so much to me and is a particular source of pride for me living in Australia. No one ever expects us to get anywhere but I still believe and get up at all hours to watch the matches and would have travelled to SA if we’d qualified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonnyG View Post
    Well said man. Ireland getting to the WC would have been a ray of light in the current environment enveloping Ireland. Dreams are important. I know its just a game but the progress of the Irish football team means so much to me and is a particular source of pride for me living in Australia. No one ever expects us to get anywhere but I still believe and get up at all hours to watch the matches and would have travelled to SA if we’d qualified.
    I don't think you'll find an Irishman who likes football who didn't want us at that World Cup and isn't gutted we're out. I know I was desperate for it because I was only 21 years old and couldn't afford to get to the last one we were involved in and I really wanted to get down to South Africa for a last hurrah of my twenties, I know a lot of my friends who thought likewise, thought it would have been one of the best experiences of our lives, sadly it wasn't to be and we've wound up staying in Europe. Such is life.

    Everyone is bitterly disappointed and don't take a difference of opinion among some of us as to how we went out as any indicator that we're not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo View Post
    It's just the way some people carp on and on about it here you'd think that they would want to banish anyone who had the temerity to attend some club game(s) abroad. The desire some seem to have in belittling and castigating anyone with an intrest in foreign football doesnt present a very positive image.

    Also can't people accept that some fans support the national team with all their heart. Many regulars on here dreamed of going to the World Cup and supporting Ireland there in South Africa. As a nation we're not like France, Germany or Brazil, we cant expect to go to almost every World Cup - it's a thrill if we just make it to one a decade. Can't people accept that some of us on here have an eternal hope of just seeing the national team playing in front of us at a World Cup, and our biggest fear is never being able see Ireland at a tournament. There are lots of people on here who will have saved up for months just be able to go to South Africa and watch the boys in green, and for it to be taken away so late in such a manner is a hammer blow. Imagine how an older fan will feel now, say someone in their 50s or 60s - they might not have been able to afford going to Italia 90, USA 94 or Japan 02, and now they might not get the chance to see Ireland at a World Cup. I'm not saying that there should be protests at embassies, or a replay or Henry should be banned for life or anything like that, but everyone must understand that there are so many disappointed people on here and to have some of these petty jibes from certain people and their apparent revelling in the failure of the national team is very hard to fathom.

    I accept that not every eircom league fan has the hate-the-national team / holier-than-thou attitude. But there seem to be a certain number who revel in it... maybe in any forum polarised views tend to come to the fore more than in real life, but there is a time and a place for everything.
    Dont blame it on eircom league fans at all. Trust me many of the Irish fans are also League of Ireland fans. In fact if you go on to YBIG there are many guys who support both Ireland and a League of Ireland team. The cynicism you talk about seems to be amongst a few individuals on this site and should not be taken as a reflection of the league at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carloz View Post
    Hugh Dallas was the ref adjudicator for the night and he saw the handball from the stand
    But did Dallas say he saw it?

    I'd have no problem with the Swedish Ref officiating at one of our future qual. games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jebus View Post
    I'll retract that and say the vast majority of you, maybe not all, although I will say that any of you marching on the French Embassy tomorrow are a disgrace

    Anyway on to the rest. Of course people are angry, I was angry watching that game, not just at people like Henry and Anelka for cheating, I was angry at McShane, I was angry at Given, I was angry at McGeady, Duff, Keane, O'Shea, all of them that messed up at certain stages during the game. But this bile that has been spewing from most people's mouths about Henry needs to stop. I've had people who watch maybe one or two games of football a year trying to tell me I'm wrong in my opinion of the sport being full of cheats, at every level. I was actually physically threatened the other night for saying 'Henrys a cheat, so what?' after the match had ended. Those Facebook groups are full of people that no one would miss if they all forgot how to use designated walkways and marched themselves over a cliff tomorrow morning. People saying boycott Gilette and French Cuisine need to slap themselves a few times in the face. People on about marching on the French Embassy need to look around at the real problems affecting Ireland at the moment and direct their marches elsewhere. But worst of all, and this is one of the main reasons that football sickens me these days, is the hypocrisy of the football fans who actually know about the game. You all are acting like you've never been a part of the cheating process that runs through football, or your team has never cheated in any way shape or form. I'll say this to you, have you never called for a free or penalty to the ref for your team when you're not certain it was, or sometimes even know it wasn't? Do you Owlsfan shake your head in disgust when Mark Beevers tugs the jersey of the oppositions attacker when a corner comes in? Berate a constant offender like Robbie Keane when he puts his hand up for a corner after he's had the last touch?

    On Wednesday night people were going on about stamping out all cheating, when they realised that they couldn't hold their ground on that when people like myself, Dodge, In Exile, passinginterest and others pointed out that very point above me they started to quantify it with levels of cheating and importance of games, which only make them sound even more idiotic and hypocritical. This isn't a new thing, I hear it in the pub every week after (say) a Man Utd player has dived against Liverpool and the Pool fans are up in arms, forgetting that their team captain throws himself to the ground at the slightest touch. Remember Celtic's disgust at Eduardo? Where were they when McGeady was rightly sent off for diving 4 days later? Hypocrites the lot of them and their attitude has soured football for me. This is just the latest chapter.



    Wasn't the wars I was referring to, as I think you may know, more the type of American who started calling french fries Freedom Fries, had a completely blinkered view to the holes in their arguments and who responded to rational questions by shouting louder about the injustice of it all and accusing the questioner of being unpatriotic. Remember how much we all laughed at them in civilised Ireland, guess who's the butt of the joke now

    Some good points and I agree about the hysteria etc and people who know nothing about football all of a suddent becomin the biggest victims of this. But I do not think that the fans who went to the games or who are passionate about the game are guilty of this. You are certainly guilty of bein obtuse just for the sake of it on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilMcD View Post
    Some good points and I agree about the hysteria etc and people who know nothing about football all of a suddent becomin the biggest victims of this. But I do not think that the fans who went to the games or who are passionate about the game are guilty of this. You are certainly guilty of bein obtuse just for the sake of it on this.
    I'd say it is you and others who are guilty of this but then that's what makes a difference of opinion and that's what makes an internet forum work

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    Point out one post that I have been obtuse. In relation to your last point, maybe you see the internet forum as the be all and end all and the end of the journey. I only see it has a means to get support behind the national team. That is why I think YBIG works and that foot.ie is now just a talking shop. Maybe it is why we have moderators like we do in that the forum is the be all and end all, whereas the fans see it as just a way to organise support for the team.
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    I see an internet forum as a way to pass the time when I'm bored at home, talking about random subjects in general and occasionally about very specific points. Although I will say that I view Foot as being a LoI forum rather than a national team forum, but that's probably because I use it more for the LoI than Ireland, I know for others it is the opposite way around.

    Anyway back to the obtuse example, I would consider this to be one

    Quote Originally Posted by NeilMcD View Post
    This thread and its poster being a mod says it all. How could someone who is openly hostile to the Irish international team be a mod on this forum. A joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jebus View Post
    I see an internet forum as a way to pass the time when I'm bored at home, talking about random subjects in general and occasionally about very specific points. Although I will say that I view Foot as being a LoI forum rather than a national team forum, but that's probably because I use it more for the LoI than Ireland, I know for others it is the opposite way around.

    Anyway back to the obtuse example, I would consider this to be one
    How long is this going to go on without someone putting a stop to it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jebus View Post
    I don't remember you kicking up a storm at the many Stevie G dives to be fair man, why was that?
    I don't recall us every watching a Liverpool game together or speaking to each other on the subject of Liverpool or Gerrard or any EPL team for that matter. Nor do I post much if at all on Liverpool on this forum, so I do not see what your point is??? When and where should I be kicking up a storm in your presence? Should I be texting you randomly every time Gerrard earns a questionable free kick? Please, explain.

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    Trap has been saying that the fourth official told Hansson about the hand ball. Hansson as we all saw then told Given and McShane that the ball hit Henry's chest or side.

    From today's Indo
    Ireland's manager Giovanni Trapattoni, who had said it was "impossible" that the FAI would agree to a replay, accused FIFA of "treachery" on Friday, adding that the double handball by Henry was "murder". Most contentiously, Trapattoni claimed that the fourth official had informed referee Martin Hansson of the handball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar View Post
    Trapattoni claimed that the fourth official had informed referee Martin Hansson of the handball.
    Wouldn't matter anyway - as the Fourth Official has no powers to do so to get a decision changed:

    THE FOURTH OFFICIAL AND THE RESERVE ASSISTANT REFEREE

    He must indicate to the referee when the wrong player is cautioned because of mistaken identity or when a player is not sent off having been seen to be given a second caution or when violent conduct occurs out of the view of the referee and assistant referees.

    The referee, however, retains the authority to decide on all points connected with play
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