Roy Keane on Henry and John Delaney

**ronburgundy** · 20/11/2009, 2:21 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

And that negates his point about Ireland bottling chance after chance, the shocking defending leading up to the goal, and the hypocritical nature of Irish fans, players and management crying foul when it suits them how?

but jebus he also talked a lot of nonsense. he said the players werent mentally strong enough, that they were afraid of the next step. absolute bull**** after such a brilliant performance where nobody hid and everybody stood up and was counted. and saying that given should have come for it is just tryin to spin it in some way because of his dislike of shay given. do you really expect any real irish fan to say 'good man roy, your always right'. when he played for ireland i thought the passion he showed on the pitch was for the love of his country now i think it was just all about his reputation

**Milesmayhem24** · 20/11/2009, 2:35 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

There's an expression "never look a gift horse in the mouth". Obeying that motto is all WE were guilty of in that instance. Thierry Henry was guilty of cheating. I'm sure it was instinctive and I'm sure he's probably a nice guy but that's the difference between the two situations.

If you're sure it was instinctive, then how is that not France obeying the principal of never looking a gift horse in the mouth. Are you saying he was guilty of cheating as he didn't obey the rules of the game? Then surely every single player is at one time or another, either by diving, pulling jerseys etc.

The blame has to go the referee/linesman for missing something everyone else saw. Should never have even gotten to the handball stage as it was offside before that

**dynamo kerry** · 20/11/2009, 2:37 PM

Originally Posted by macdermesser

Who signed Paul Mc Shane again? in reference to where are the defenders in the 6 yard box?

Bitter man .. bringing Saipan into it... but his comments about Delaney are not far off the mark. 70 euro for a child to watch a home game at Croker etc etc blurg

off topic moment:

mac- sorry, are you really having a dig because kids pay full price?

I trust not.

If you are, why are you bringing kids to the more expensive seats?

incidentally - I toook out your recording of the marseillas the other day. class stuff.

**Fixer82** · 20/11/2009, 2:55 PM

He's right. we're bitching and moanin bout being robbed once again. The match should have been over in 90 minutes and McShane should never have let that ball bounce....

**dynamo kerry** · 20/11/2009, 3:03 PM

Originally Posted by Fixer82

He's right. we're bitching and moanin bout being robbed once again. The match should have been over in 90 minutes and McShane should never have let that ball bounce....

I agree the game should have been over in 90 min and I also agree the ball bouncing was bad. Not sure it was definitely just mcshane's fault though.
bad free to give away in the first instance too.

**Stuttgart88** · 20/11/2009, 3:03 PM

Originally Posted by Milesmayhem24

If you're sure it was instinctive, then how is that not France obeying the principal of never looking a gift horse in the mouth. Are you saying he was guilty of cheating as he didn't obey the rules of the game? Then surely every single player is at one time or another, either by diving, pulling jerseys etc.

The blame has to go the referee/linesman for missing something everyone else saw. Should never have even gotten to the handball stage as it was offside before that

What I'm saying is that he cheated, it was probably spur of the moment rather than anything premeditated. I doubt he was saying to himself "bugger, only 20 mins and it's a penalty shoot out, I'd better cheat next time I get the chance". Yes, players jostle and pull and do all kinds, but come on, don't tell me you can't see the difference between that and dekliberately using your hand to prevent a ball going out of play and setting it up nicely for a pass?

As for looking gift hoses, back to the original point - no Ireland player cheated in the Georgia game so it's not comparable. The Georgia penalty is more akin to, for example, Keane being allowed to score when obviously offside. It wouldn't be Keane's fault he was given onside, but it was Henry's fault he controlled the ball deliberately and more than once with his hand.

I find it hard to blame the ref as he was conned, but a linesman should have seen it, and the offside.

**The Don** · 20/11/2009, 3:08 PM

Originally Posted by Fixer82

He's right. we're bitching and moanin bout being robbed once again. The match should have been over in 90 minutes and McShane should never have let that ball bounce....

No he shouldnt, but unless Henry handballs it what difference would it make how poor the defending was. But Keane assertion that given should have come for it is rediculous.

**jbyrne** · 20/11/2009, 3:08 PM

Originally Posted by Fixer82

The match should have been over in 90 minutes and McShane should never have let that ball bounce....

doesnt excuse the cheating.

i re-iterate my point above that it was actually good defending to push up and leave two of them offside. if we hadnt pushed up we would probably have been in a better position to clear it. players have to be able to rely on the officials to get their decisions correct

**Fr Damo** · 20/11/2009, 3:10 PM

Originally Posted by colster

Has anyone read this in the Times.

What a bitter idiot? 7 years later and he's still whinging about someone not calling him. I bet Delaney would have got a 2 word answer if he had done.

J D was in Ireland during Saipan as he was Hon. Treasurer with the FAI and not even a board member. So why the hell would he contact R Keane? M McCArthy would have walked if that had happened.
He might well have had the intellect and where withall to have the conversation with Keane but it was not his place to do so. J D was on telly at the time simply because he was availble in Ireland (all the other suits were in Japan) but in no way conected with the incident.

Keane should have finished the press conference when the Ireland question was asked and vented his frustration at his poor results on the reporters present and not the FAI.

**R�iteoir** · 20/11/2009, 3:12 PM

I find the multiple Facebook campaigns, the "flaming torches" march on the French Embassy scheduled for tomorrow, the foaming at the mouth ranting about Refereeing Conspiracies, the Sponsors thing, the "FIFA only want big countries at the Finals" (someone should let the Slovenes, Algerians, North Koreans and New Zealanders know that they really shouldn't bother to turn up next year) more embarrasing and cringeworthy than Keane answering some journos loaded questions (and making some decent points amongst the stream of conciousness) in his usual forthwright style.

If people go down this route then it'd only be proper and right to have the following other games replayed - "in the spirit of preserving the integrity of the game" of course:

Argentina vs. England - 1986 World Cup

Argentina vs. West Germany in the 1990 World Cup Final - horrendous dive to win the penalty which won the match

England vs. West Germany in 1966

Italy vs. Czechoslovakia in the 1934 World Cup Final - sure didn't Benito have a big hand in selecting the Referees for the game - even had them round to dinner the night before for a "pre match talk"

Italy vs. Australia in 2006

Both Korea's matches against Spain and Italy in 2002

England vs. Portugal in Euro 2004

We could play them all over the one weekend in a curtain raiser to the Finals in South Africa - of course the problem is trying to get the original teams together - I'm sure we could sort out these minor details later on

**Fixer82** · 20/11/2009, 3:13 PM

Originally Posted by jbyrne

doesnt excuse the cheating.

i re-iterate my point above that it was actually good defending to push up and leave two of them offside. if we hadnt pushed up we would probably have been in a better position to clear it. players have to be able to rely on the officials to get their decisions correct

regardless of the (clear) offside ya still have to play the whistle and clear the ball....

**ArdeeBhoy** · 20/11/2009, 3:14 PM

R.M.Keane is an egotistical PR*ck. End of.

An embarassment to his country, city and club. The next Dunphy-in-waiting.

He's not even worth the bandwidth of discussion....

**Morbo** · 20/11/2009, 3:16 PM

Hasn't he been sacked yet?

I knew it wouldn't take him long to use this as an opportunity to deflect attention away from what a crap manager he is as well as getting another dig in at players like Given. Roy telling people to get over it

the ironing is delicious.

**R�iteoir** · 20/11/2009, 3:21 PM

Originally Posted by Morbo

Hasn't he been sacked yet?

I knew it wouldn't take him long to use this as an opportunity to deflect attention away from what a crap manager he is as well as getting another dig in at players like Given. Roy telling people to get over it

the ironing is delicious.

Keane was asked what he thought in his Friday Press Conference, as were all the Prem & Championship Managers who had a link to this

Not like he's just decided to have a rant

**BradyIsMyHero** · 20/11/2009, 3:31 PM

Keane is a sad and bitter individual.

Still can't get over Saipan

**Fr Damo** · 20/11/2009, 3:31 PM

Keane was asked what he thought in his Friday Press Conference, as were all the Prem & Championship Managers who had a link to this

Not like he's just decided to have a rant

It was nothing but a rant.... he brought Delaney and Saipan into it. I have not heard any other Irish connected managers press conferences yet but I bet they kept the time they spent answering this topic to a minimium. Most are more concerned about the future i.e Tomorrow Saturday or Sunday, when their team is playing.

**CMcC** · 20/11/2009, 3:39 PM

Whatever about the other stuff he said he calls it right with McShane.

You cannot let the ball bounce in the box or you are asking for trouble.
You cannot let a ball pass you by and hope it goes out over the end line without at least makeing a decent effort to sheppard it properly.
You certainly cannot let a player of TH's ability get around goal side of you to enable him to get anything (hand or foot) on the ball.

You GET FEFFING RID full stop.

**NeilMcD** · 20/11/2009, 3:40 PM

He was in bad form no doubt, did you see his reaction to the phone going off.

**Alf Honn** · 20/11/2009, 3:40 PM

J D was in Ireland during Saipan as he was Hon. Treasurer with the FAI and not even a board member. So why the hell would he contact R Keane? M McCArthy would have walked if that had happened.
He might well have had the intellect and where withall to have the conversation with Keane but it was not his place to do so. J D was on telly at the time simply because he was availble in Ireland (all the other suits were in Japan) but in no way conected with the incident.

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Not on the board?! Of course he was, he was the Treasurer at the time. He thought enough of himself to offer McCarthy a new contract in the bar during that World Cup without approval from the CEO.

Look, there's no doubt Keane was out of order in Saipan and McCarthy was correct to do what he did.

The point being put forward by RK is that JD was taking the limelight back in Dublin (leaving a mtg early to go on Dunphy's Last Word, I recall) and making sweeping statements to the Irish public about his whereabouts when, if he had bothered contacting him, the truth would have come out that he was in the hotel. Not too much to expect.

**OwlsFan** · 20/11/2009, 3:42 PM

Poor defending

How can you defend properly against offside and handball?

Georgia Penalty

Who cheated on that? Who asked for a replay?

Didn't put the French away

Only valid point and I agree but then most people are aware of this. No praise of the performance though.

The only thing can comes out of that interview really is that Saipan, like for most of us, is never going to go away and he still feels it.

Ipswich vs Wednesday this Saturday. Mediocrity vs more Mediocrity. Hope the latter wins though