Norn Iron rubbish part 23452346526

[Not Brazil]

So what. You're naive if you think that's how it is in reality. Whatever your beloved passport regulations of your beloved Brits say.
You definitely need to get out more though. Or do you do a side gig for the Brits Passport Office?

Once again, you appear to be "irrationally obsessed" about Passports.

I'm not talking about Passports, I'm talking about Citizenship.

I don't think I'm at all "naive" in having a basic understanding of both British and Irish Citizenship laws - perhaps it's you who needs to gain a basic understanding of these matters?

[ArdeeBhoy]

Passports, citizens whatever. You're the people who brought up this tedious debate, due to your own insecurities about identity which you want to share 'ad nauseum' with the rest of us.


Why not just do the usual instead and get a tattoo? Rather than boring the rest of us rigid about your crummy little team and the various machinations to become a 'member' of it.

[Not Brazil]

Passports, citizens whatever. You're the people who brought up this tedious debate, due to your own insecurities about identity which you want to share 'ad nauseum' with the rest of us.


Why not just do the usual instead and get a tattoo? Rather than boring the rest of us rigid about your crummy little team and the various machinations to become a 'member' of it.

I think the thread was started with the premise that our "crummy little team" shouldn't exist.

I can assure you, that, personally, I have absolutely no "insecurities" about my identity. I know exactly what my identity is - inspite of people telling me how I should identify.

What's with your, bizarre, tattoo comment? Are tattoos outlawed in the Republic Of Ireland?

Edit:

I've answered my own question on tattoos - the answer is, evidently not!

http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/index.ph...-gets-a-tattoo

[ArdeeBhoy]

Well it's clearly very personal to you. And best kept under wraps!

Oh and it's Ireland;you keep telling us you're 'Irish'.
Amnesia seems very prevalent in that part of the world....

[Not Brazil]

Well it's clearly very personal to you. And best kept under wraps!

Oh and it's Ireland;you keep telling us you're 'Irish'.
Amnesia seems very prevalent in that part of the world....

Seriously, what are you on about?

Of course I'm Irish.

[ArdeeBhoy]

So you keep telling us. But it's rather dull you keep repeating.

[Acornvilla]

Everybody shut up!!!!!!!!

[Fixer82]

Can you not see what all this is doing to Acornvilla???

[The Fly]

Sorry Fly, you haven't. You've repeated how dense I am, without much reference to anything I've said here let alone any detailed explanation. You raised, for example, the d'Hondt system and Edmund Burke's theories on the slowness of political change. I don't actually disagree with much of your analysis of them; they're just irrelevant to an argument about why the NI team should be abolished. It just looks like shoehorning in a slew of random facts, just for the sake of it.

Apologies for the late reply.

Your reply to my post (#736) is very strange. I have thoroughly explained my posts, entirely for your benefit! The many other contributors to this thread have grasped them quite easily.

The protracted 'discussion' between you and I, within this thread, centred on the reply I gave to NB's post (#591, page 30), which stated -
"For those who oppose the place called Northern Ireland, they can elect to play for the FAI team, and support it's representative sides."

I posted in response;
"Those fans/players don't have a sense of statehood/national identity with Northern Ireland. It is big leap in 'logic' to suggest that they also, by extension, oppose it's existance." (#634, page 32)

You stated, in response to the above, that;
"Hardly. It follows from the tangible evidence that hundreds of thousands of people in Northern Ireland who don't 'identify' with it (probably the majority of them) demonstrate that lack of identity by by voting in every election for parties whose main political program is that, er Northern Ireland shouldn't exist. Do keep up." (#656, page 33)

I will repeat, again, that your above statement points to degree of stupidity on your part. I also notice that you have failed to retract it.

In my last post I asked you to - "clarify how you would expect the nationalist population of NI, and indeed the entire electorate of NI, to demonstrate their 'Northern Irish' identity."
No reply was forthcoming.

In my last post I also asked you to - "explain how the SDLP's main political program, either in the past or at present, is that NI should not exist. Were all those years under John Hume merely a front, masking his true intentions?"
No reply was forthcoming.

Each of my replies to your posts, quoted yours in their near entirety. This is in contrast to your own 'highly selective' quoting of people's posts, which I'm sure many foot.ie members have had to endure. My posts did not contain within them any particularly intricate pieces of wisdom, merely reportage of fact. The denseness I infer in you stems from your complete inability to grasp these facts and indeed your own singular interpretation of them.

I know that the 'discussion' between you and I had nothing to do with "an argument about why the NI team should be abolished." But then, surely, you know that - or are did you just become desperate.

You wrote that it looks like I'm....."shoehorning in a slew of random facts, just for the sake of it."
No, just for your sake, sadly - to no avail.
Oh well!

I'm actually quite flattered at your obsessive interest in where I live and how often I post. As I'm sure most others on the thread realise, they're largely irrelevant. If you diasagree with what I say, just reply to it. To correct a few points- I've been reading and contributing to OWC since it started (as a mailing list) in 1999 I think. Similarly, on foot.ie since September 2003. I've used various names- including my real name originally- changing for various reasons including OWC regularly needing re-registration as it moved to larger servers, and a ban from foot.ie when a row about Luis Aragones and racism at Spanish international games got out of hand. OWC doesn't tend to feature threads about the NI side being abolished; they get deleted (I zapped one or two when I was a moderator myself some time back). Unfortunately, this thread on foot.ie is just the latest in a depressingly predictable series. They all say basically the same thing: 'let's take over the Nordies even though their team's rubbish and the fans a bunch of orange bigots'. I see the mods have renamed this one to reflect its predictability.

In my last post I stated that you;
"joined OWC on the 2nd of April, 2005. In this time you have posted 298 times. You joined foot.ie in April 2006, in this time you have posted 589 times - almost twice as much in considerably less time! OWC contains many more threads on the NI v ROI theme than foot.ie does, yet you are not compelled to post with the anyhere near the regularity with which you do here. This tells it's own story!"
You claimed, in an earlier post, that..."the pressure of answering the same witless wind-up 60 times on this thread hasn't dimmed my faculties."
As you mentioned wind-ups, I posted the above. I felt it necessary to remind you, and to point out to others, that since the inception of your current membership on each respective site, you have posted nearly twice as much on foot.ie than you have on your own supporters website (with the player eligibility row being within this time). Again, this tells it's own story, and is in the very least - suggestive.

Suggestive of what I wonder?.........hmmm.........

[The Fly]

but the terms 'Taigs' & 'beggars' are common-place on that MB.

Again, apologies for the late reply.

I know this has already been covered, but just for the record - I have been a member of said MB (OWC) for some time and whilst I am not a regular poster, I have never come across the term 'Taigs' being used.

[ArdeeBhoy]

You did indeed TF.
Will PM you when I have time.

[Gather round]

Your reply to my post (#736) is very strange. I have thoroughly explained my posts, entirely for your benefit!

That's kind of you, but not particularly helpful I'm afraid. They still don't make sense.

I will repeat, again, that your above statement points to degree of stupidity on your part. I also notice that you have failed to retract it

I'm neither stupid nor needing to retract anything.

In my last post I asked you to - "clarify how you would expect the nationalist population of NI, and indeed the entire electorate of NI, to demonstrate their 'Northern Irish' identity." No reply was forthcoming

Have one now. The electorate can express their identity as they see fit; if 90% of the turnout in every election is for single issue unionist or nationalist parties, then I assume, quite reasonably, that those are the parties they feel comfortable with. Plenty of other parties exist, including those from Britain and the Republic.

In my last post I also asked you to - "explain how the SDLP's main political program, either in the past or at present, is that NI should not exist. Were all those years under John Hume merely a front, masking his true intentions?" No reply was forthcoming

The SDLP's main political program is for a united Ireland. It has no unionist support, no real claim to be cross-community. Hume made no attempt to hide his intentions. That's not to denigrate his long-term efforts at reconciliation and the peace process; the same can be said of many single-issue unionist politicians.

Apologies if I failed to answer every single question in your previous posts. They were rather repetitive.

Each of my replies to your posts, quoted yours in their near entirety. This is in contrast to your own 'highly selective' quoting of people's posts, which I'm sure many foot.ie members have had to endure

Don't be so precious, nobody had to endure anything. Reading this forum is voluntary, like. I selectively quote the relevant parts that I want to answer..

My posts did not contain within them any particularly intricate pieces of wisdom, merely reportage of fact

Some fact, some irrelevance, some cod-psychology, some opinion unsupported by evidence.

The denseness I infer in you stems from your complete inability to grasp these facts and indeed your own singular interpretation of them

Infer what you like. I've grasped everything you've said, however garbled much of it is.

I know that the 'discussion' between you and I had nothing to do with "an argument about why the NI team should be abolished." But then, surely, you know that - or are did you just become desperate

Sure, I knew it; I asked you to stick to the point; neither suggests desperation.

Again, this tells it's own story, and is in the very least - suggestive. Suggestive of what I wonder?.........hmmm.........

Suggestive that when there's a thread on foot.ie saying 'let's abolish the NI team', I come on it and suggest 'let's not'? I mean, it's quite straightforward.

[Acornvilla]

reading this thread will be the death of me.... and yes i will continue to read it so go away with your smart arse replies or i'll counter with a 5.000 word power point presentation

[ArdeeBhoy]

That's kind of you, but not particularly hlpful I'm afraid. They still don't make sense.


I'm neither stupid nor needing to retract anything.


Have one now. The electorate can express their identity as they see fit; if 90% of the turnout in every election is for single issue unionist or nationalist parties, then I assume, quite reasonably, that those are the parties they feel comfortable with. Plenty of other parties exist, including those from Britain and the Republic.



The SDLP's main political program is for a united Ireland. It has no unionist support, no real claim to be cross-community. Hume made no attempt to hide his intentions. That's not to denigrate his long-term efforts at reconciliation and the peace process; the same can be said of many single-issue unionist politicians.

Apologies if I failed to answer every single question in your previous posts. They were rather repetitive.


Don't be so precious, nobody had to endure anything. Reading this forum is voluntary, like. I selectively quote the relevant parts that I want to answer..



Some fact, some irrelevance, some cod-psychology, some opinion unsupported by evidence.



Infer what you like. I've grasped everything you've said, however garbled much of it is.



Sure, I knew it; I asked you to stick to the point; neither suggests desperation.



Suggestive that when there's a thread on foot.ie saying 'let's abolish the NI team', I come on it and suggest 'let's not'? I mean, it's quite straightforward.

The Fly is Right.
And Yes, it's tedious repetitive hypocritical Drivel

The trouble is when you engage with these sort of people, all they try to do is is to indulge in their tedious self-righteous whataboutery.
Under the excuse of 'talking' about 'their' football team.
When around 90% of their other fans, wouldn't even dignify us (luckily!) with their time!

And Yes, have met plenty of them!

Suppose they have plenty of other reasons to be paranoid, they just don't get worked up about the Ireland football team?

[EalingGreen]

The Fly is Right.
And Yes, it's tedious repetitive hypocritical Drivel

The trouble is when you engage with these sort of people, all they try to do is is to indulge in their tedious self-righteous whataboutery.
Under the excuse of 'talking' about 'their' football team.
When around 90% of their other fans, wouldn't even dignify us (luckily!) with their time!

And Yes, have met plenty of them!

Suppose they have plenty of other reasons to be paranoid, they just don't get worked up about the Ireland football team?

Blah, blah, cliche, more blah, stereotype, blah, rant, blah, yet more blah etc etc.....

Why is it that those ROI fans who proclaim most loudly that they want to be "united" with the NI team are invariably those who most despise NI fans and our team etc, whilst those ROI fans (a majority, in my experience) who are best-disposed towards us, are invariably the least bothered by any talk of a single Irish team?
Indeed, I have good reason to believe that even at the very highest levels of the FAI, there is no interest in combining the two teams...
(And when I say "no interest", I do not mean a fear on the part of a few "blazers" that they would lose their positions etc, but just that - no interest!)

[Den Perry]

How ? Tbh, Amhran na bhFiann is an embarrasment.

why is it an embarrasment?

[Den Perry]

And about the same number of countries (9) dominate world football. Brazil, Italy, Germany = New Zealand, S. Africa & Australia. USA is ranked 14 at the moment! Quality not quantity. Football, like rugby has no Asian presence.

I do agree though that Ireland's Call is an embarrassment. The sentiment is right, but the execution is s**te.

I stated that rugby was played to a high level by about 9 countries,not dominated by nine countries. Realistically each of those 9 have a chance of beating one another. The gap to the other nations is huge. In football, far more countries play it to a high level. It may be dominated by those mentioned above, but there are far more countries competitive in soccer than Rugby

[janeymac]

That's all a bit hypothetical. Even if it had gone to court, there's a good chance they'd have thrown it out- the Law ignores trivia.

Democratic societies don't regard it as trivia. That is why there is a list of basic human rights, that countries/states sign up to. As a matter of interest, why do you think the Parades Commission in NI was set up in the first place.

Not only would they have needed to have got lost between Dublin and
Liverpool- but also fail to spot the difference between an east- and west-facing coastline. Maybe the Luftwaffe crew forgot their compass that night?

I take it you were never a boy scout then - if you were you would surely have learned that a compass is useless if you get disorientated and don't know where you are (which is very easy to do in mist/cloud/darkness). More recently you may have heard of the Search & Rescue helicopter that crashed into a sand dune at night in Waterford because the pilot couldn't make out the difference between the ground and the sky in the mist & darkness.

[janeymac]

he could - but won't.

Very proud Northern Irish family, the Evans

Just as well they are (bearing in mind what happened to Neil Lennon when he said he would like to play for a UI team).

[seanfhear]

reading this thread will be the death of me.... and yes i will continue to read it so go away with your smart arse replies or i'll counter with a 5.000 word power point presentation

Stop reading this thread now.

There must be some sadists that will satisfy this pain fetish that you have.

If there was an all-Ireland debating team some of this lot would certainly wear down the opposition.

It would be a case of everyone else saying "Yes We Surrender."

Just stop going on and on..........................