Norn Iron rubbish part 23452346526

**Not Brazil** · 23/11/2009, 1:57 PM

Originally Posted by Fixer82

I dunno, I'd like to see it happening and I think it makes sense, as would I like to see a United Ireland.

The teams will not be merging - your, perfectly legitimate, political aspiration isn't a good reason for it to happen either.

By way of a tip - and, I believe most enlightened thinkers in the Republic Of Ireland know this already - you ain't going to "unite" anything with attitudes like those espoused earlier by KK - the attitude that demonises everything about the very people you claim to wish to be "united" with.

**Fixer82** · 23/11/2009, 2:00 PM

Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite

There are differences between dubs and folks from Connemara but Connemara folk haven't been living indepent of Dublin for 88 years.

I am reinforcing the border because it is there. There is a border on this island and it has been in place since the inception of this state. Like it or not that is the way it is and it isn't going to change for any time soon.
I do not want to ignore Northern Ireland but they want the same right to self determination as our grandfathers did in 1916 to 1922 (even if it is their national football team) and if that is the express wish of their people then we can't coerce them to do so. We can't say here that we want a united national team and not consult those whose team/players we want to use.

I based the england, scotland, wales, united kingdom team as it is literally one country. since devolution they all have parliaments/assemblies but power is with westminster in London and England, Scotland & Wales don't sit separately in the UN

well the border is no longer physically there. the realationship between the two states has never been better!

Self-determination was not the express will of the majority until after the British gerrymandered the border to ensure more Loyalists than Republicans/nationalists were within the borders

nobody ever mentioned not consulting the players/assocation we want to merge with. that would be ludicrous and unjust.

and yes you are right, Northern Ireland is a state within the country of Great Britain. unfortunately. In the words of Tony Benn: an artificial state....

que angry coments from my northern cousins

**antrimgreen** · 23/11/2009, 2:01 PM

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

What about them?

If they choose to support the Republic, that's fine.

The thing is, you can support who you like.

When people start want to deny choice - some of whom were most vociferous in the "right to choose" debates that surrounded the "Eligibility" issue surrounding Northern Irish born players - it stinks of gross hypocricy.

Why does anyone wish to deny Northern Ireland fans the right to support our International team...about which we are as proud and attached as you are of yours?

Because as an all Ireland team we stand a greater chance of qualification and seeing Irish Men play on the international stage more often (hopefully). It would be a positive step in the direction of peace and reconciliation for the people living in Ireland. That's my 2 cents!!

**ArdeeBhoy** · 23/11/2009, 2:06 PM

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Have you heard of google?

So No link exists?
Heh.

**Not Brazil** · 23/11/2009, 2:08 PM

Originally Posted by antrimgreen

Because as an all Ireland team we stand a greater chance of qualification and seeing Irish Men play on the international stage more often (hopefully). It would be a positive step in the direction of peace and reconciliation for the people living in Ireland. That's my 2 cents!!

Who is "we"?

Seeking the destruction of an International team, representing the fourth oldest Association in the world - a proud Association - and it's passionate supporters a team is the way to peace and reconciliation is it? Fcuk me - you're deluded.

How's about respecting choices, and diversity - live and let live?

Would that not be more helpful?

**Predator** · 23/11/2009, 2:09 PM

Originally Posted by Gather round

Ha ha. We don't qualify regularly and separately for major tournaments because we

a) don't have a huge pool of potential players to compete with the big five or six

b) continue to drop points to other similarly-sized and ranked teams

c) regularly get embarrassed by the minnows.

I honestly can't see any of that changing just because you have a 6 million population to choose from rather than 4.5 million (which comparison is spurious anyway, given your choice of qualified players from outside Ireland now and for years past.

I reckon that our chances would increase as one team. Look back over the years at the two respective teams and hypothesise a combined team. Surely we'd be better?

I'm wholly aware that you're diametrically opposed to such a thing happening and without prompting your '**** stirrer' tag, I'm sure you can see the possible sporting advantages of having one team, GR?

**Not Brazil** · 23/11/2009, 2:10 PM

Originally Posted by Fixer82

and yes you are right, Northern Ireland is a state within the country of Great Britain.

Actually, he's not right.

Northern Ireland is an integral part of the United Kingdom - consisting of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

**Not Brazil** · 23/11/2009, 2:12 PM

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

So No link exists?
Heh.

Don't be silly AB - if you cannot find numerous links to British Citizenship laws online, I'm not going to teach you.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 23/11/2009, 2:17 PM

Look in certain respects, and I'm sure their soccer team is the tip of the iceberg, these people only really want to say 'No', 'Never' or 'Not Interested', such is the general siege mentality.

However it would be funny if Britain were to abandon them, which would be the logical thing to do, given what a drain they've been on their resources ever since its creation....

**seanfhear** · 23/11/2009, 2:18 PM

It would be better to scrap the FAI and the IFA.

They certainly have not done much for the development of football on the Island of Ireland.

Certain individuals have their own fiefdoms in the respective FAs and will have to have their fiefdoms prized from their granite grip.

It will probably happen but to say when would be an ambitious statement.

**livehead1** · 23/11/2009, 2:20 PM

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Northern Ireland is an integral part of the United Kingdom

Is it? I've lived in England for over 20 years and I can honestly say my friends, peers colleagues etc, none of them give a flying Fcuk and couldn't care less about the north. You're deluded if you think otherwise!

**ArdeeBhoy** · 23/11/2009, 2:21 PM

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Don't be silly AB - if you cannot find numerous links to British Citizenship laws online, I'm not going to teach you.

It's because there's hundreds and you seem so sure of yourself....

**Not Brazil** · 23/11/2009, 2:37 PM

Originally Posted by Predator

I reckon that our chances would increase as one team. Look back over the years at the two respective teams and hypothesise a combined team. Surely we'd be better?

I'm wholly aware that you're diametrically opposed to such a thing happening and without prompting your '**** stirrer' tag, I'm sure you can see the possible sporting advantages of having one team, GR?

If it's all about increasing chances, many Northern Ireland fans would be chomping at the bit for an "All UK" team - we're not.

**antrimgreen** · 23/11/2009, 2:38 PM

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Who is "we"?

Seeking the destruction of an International team, representing the fourth oldest Association in the world - a proud Association - and it's passionate supporters a team is the way to peace and reconciliation is it? Fcuk me - you're deluded.

How's about respecting choices, and diversity - live and let live?

Would that not be more helpful?

Me and you and all the other people gathered on this small island. It's not a case of live and let live, it's a case of let's live together. I understand your mentality, it fears change which for me is a sign of insecurity. To protect the proud Assocaiation, sure we can keep the name you have IFA no problem

**Not Brazil** · 23/11/2009, 2:39 PM

Originally Posted by livehead1

Is it? I've lived in England for over 20 years and I can honestly say my friends, peers colleagues etc, none of them give a flying Fcuk and couldn't care less about the north. You're deluded if you think otherwise!

Whether your friends, peers, colleagues "give a fcuk" or not, is immaterial.

Conversely, I have plenty of friends, peers, and colleagues who are English, and they do "give a fcuk" about "the North". Ditto - immaterial.

**Not Brazil** · 23/11/2009, 2:41 PM

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

However it would be funny if Britain were to abandon them, which would be the logical thing to do, given what a drain they've been on their resources ever since its creation....

It might be "funny", but it won't be happening.

The people of Northern Ireland have won, and ring-fenced, the right to self determination - I refer you to the Belfast Agreement 1998.

**Not Brazil** · 23/11/2009, 2:42 PM

Originally Posted by antrimgreen

Me and you and all the other people gathered on this small island. It's not a case of live and let live, it's a case of let's live together. I understand your mentality, it fears change which for me is a sign of insecurity. To protect the proud Assocaiation, sure we can keep the name you have IFA no problem

I have no fear of change, and feel absolutely secure.

**Not Brazil** · 23/11/2009, 2:43 PM

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

It's because there's hundreds and you seem so sure of yourself....

Yes - I have an ability to read the laws of the land.

**boovidge** · 23/11/2009, 2:45 PM

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

It might be "funny", but it won't be happening.

The people of Northern Ireland have won, and ring-fenced, the right to self determination - I refer you to the Belfast Agreement 1998.

Surely self-determination goes both ways though? What if the Scots or English want independence?