QuoteIve always said this
of player development to scotland and england!!!!
other countries are catching up with us, armenia beat the under 21's on tuesday night 4-1. we are in danger of becoming a very weak nation. perhaps not in 5 or 10 years but as long as the footballing infrastructure of this country is third world we face a bleak future at international level.
Ive always said this
The only way you can do that is if clubs can persuade players to stay at home. The only way that'll happen is if the clubs have enough pulling power, facilities, money etc The only way that'll happen is if people actually turn up to watch Irish football.
i had around 20 posts on this after the Staunton failure. Waste of time IU. People here dont want to see the link between a national leagues success and international team success.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
most of us want to see it but until the facilites are in place it cant happen
Its really not that complicated!!!
yes i know skstu. but they and the rest of ireland have to realise this. how the rte panel can just ignore it when discussing the merits of the irish national team is astounding. as i say in the meantime we should be ok but eventually its going to hit us in the face and it will all come back to the state of our domestic game.
if this forum and people like dunphy question the under-21 management then the national leagues health is imperative to the state of the national team.
Last edited by irishultra; 19/11/2009 at 7:08 PM.
I know this is ridiculous because it will never happen, but I think that no international team should be allowed field players in their international team unless they play in their national league. It will separate players who are in it for the money and those who are interested in playing for their country. Clubs can still get the players they want, if they'll move and exile themselves from World Cup, European Championships etc. Would probably strengthen the weaker nations.
Discuss.
Maybe a quota of say..5 players have to be. All players though is pretty extreme.
A bit harsh I think. Its not fair that a player is born in a small country. Its only right a player be able to test himself against the best.
Would be interesting I suppose. Perhaps there should be a quota placed on the number of players in your squad playing domestically when you reach a world cup?
Oh and think about it, if Scotland is a country we are outsourcing player development to, what does it say about Ireland? Its a sad indictment of the game here.
Last edited by irishultra; 19/11/2009 at 7:13 PM.
Yes it is. It's the worst idea I've ever read on here. Worse than the guy who suggested the FAI should own all the stadia a few hours ago.Originally Posted by rerun
Ireland vs Italy would be oh so competitive, wouldn't it? International football would become half as competitive as rugby - England, Spain, Italy, France and Germany being essentially untouchable. Given the chance of playing for Bohs and Ireland or getting €50k/week, no player of any quality would stay home....but I think that no international team should be allowed field players in their international team unless they play in their national league... Would probably strengthen the weaker nations.
Discuss.
You can't spell failure without FAI
Lets not get off topic here John and rerun. Theres a good and worthy point to discuss from the OP. We should probably try and stick to that. There should be no FIFA rule on this, it is entirely up to the FAI and government to get the public into the league. The public need to see that a successful domestic league will lead to a successful national team. The FAI needs to embrace this idea though and get the league in order and attractive to the general public.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Well for starters, I know the FAI own United Park, so I wasn't touching that
Secondly, Italian players all playing in Serie A against a LOI Irish team? I'd watch it! Would it not improve the players playing against these teams, players that are in the LOI never get a kick in an Irish shirt. Would maybe shift the balance of power in club football away from the Chelseas and Real Madrids if there was a factor like this that might keep players in their national leagues.
This has to be done from the ground up. Too many kids around the country aren't getting the proper coaching from a young age. We rely too much on parents volunteering to coach kids and also on English clubs developing any of our players that look half decent at a young age. Something has to be done to stop top quality teenagers leaving for England only to be treated like crap by their clubs and released a few years later if they don't show promise quick. It can be very disheartening for players and a lot give up on the game because of this. The FAI need to bring in stricter rules to stop players being taken out of the country so easily.
As People have said other countries are catching up and passing us out. Countries that have put the right structures in years ago are now reaping the rewards. It sickened me last night to hear Giles and Dunphy go on about looking for anyone in England with a slight bit of Irish blood. They where basically saying it doesn't matter about the quality or even if they want to play for Ireland just drag them in to play for Ireland. That is what is wrong with this country and to be honest Ireland get what they deserve in the end with an attitude like that. I can't fault any of the players effort from last night but if the attitude i mention above continues we will go nowhere. The teams with the best structures from the ground up are developing the best players and making the top competitions and that is exactly what they deserve.
I never post in this forum but i thought i would add my tuppence for once!! Kevin Doyle was playing for Cork City and didnt get a look in with Ireland - he goes to Reading and a few months later he is in the Ireland team! Did he improve that much in 3 months?? I think not!! So it has nothing to do with facilities in my opinion - if a player is good enough he is good enough and it shouldnt matter where he is playing - i do however feel the problem with the Irish u-21 team is Don Givens!!!
well said Jofspring.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
I don't know if this is done already by the FAI but why not offer ground level coaching courses for free for people that are willing to go on and volunteer to coach kids. At least then they would have some good coaching knowledge to pass on to the kids. I think you can spot potential in a player at a very young age. I'd say the majority of top players in the world have showed their potential through their attitude and mindset towards the game from a very young age. The irish setup seems at large to bypass this stage and just pick who is decent playing abroad when they are older. Their are plenty of people trying to help these kids develop but i feel at the moment are fighting a losing battle without stricter rules. People should be worrying about football in this country and where its going, not some french guys hand.
Agree with this absolutely. It was nauseating. What is the point of International Football if it just becomes about trawling around trying to get any players you can, by whatever means. Bill O'Herlihy even mentioned Kevin Nolan last night for chrissakes, a man who has made it perfectly clear that he considers himself English and has no intention of playing for Ireland. I'm glad I stopped supporting the Irish team. I'd rather support a team of LOI players getting thumped every match (No Pats jokes please). At least it would have some connection with the football I watch every week.
Out for a spell, got neglected, lay on the bench unselected.
lads I had another thread in another forum. was looking for ideas on how we could improve the domestic game. I'm new here and not allowed start threads of my own, but if someone else would do it for me it would be great.
It might spark some debate about how the game in ireland can be improved from the grass roots upwards. The title of it was "what can we do to improve the league of ireland".
Some of my ideas are rough around the edges. But I can see there are alot of passionate irish football fans in here who know their stuff so this thread might be more appreciated in here.
Cheers
Last edited by dahamsta; 19/11/2009 at 11:52 PM. Reason: If you're coming to our forum for a debate, have it on our forum. This thread is perfectly fine for it.
I think Cyprus are a good example of a small country that are getting better and better as the years go on. Not only that, they now have teams competing at Champions League level. They are going forwards, while i wouldn't say Ireland are going backwards they just don't seem to be going anywhere as a whole country Footballing wise.Agree with this absolutely. It was nauseating. What is the point of International Football if it just becomes about trawling around trying to get any players you can, by whatever means. Bill O'Herlihy even mentioned Kevin Nolan last night for chrissakes, a man who has made it perfectly clear that he considers himself English and has no intention of playing for Ireland. I'm glad I stopped supporting the Irish team. I'd rather support a team of LOI players getting thumped every match (No Pats jokes please
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