Smoking Ban

[Dodge]

For or against?

[brendy_éire]

Judging by the other thread, this could turn out to be a very one-sided poll.

[pineapple stu]

Hell yes. Any argument I've heard against the ban has been purely selfish and stubborn (people have a right to smoke; the publicans will earn less, etc. etc).

[liamon]

I don't smoke. Most of my friends don't smoke. Yet, when I go out, I come home smelling like a used cig butt. Now how is that a good thing?

I'm sick of smokers and vintners complaining. Horrible, stupid habit and if you want to harm yourself, then go do it in the privacy of your own home.

[Macy]

Originally posted by liamon
Horrible, stupid habit and if you want to harm yourself, then go do it in the privacy of your own home.

So what of alcohol?

Totally against the ban - nanny state gone mad.

[Macy]

Originally posted by brendy_eire
Judging by the other thread, this could turn out to be a very one-sided poll.

Could indeed, especially if I get very narked this afternoon...

[Robinski]

I'm a smoker (condem me to hell) and I've voted yes in the above poll. Cleaner air in confined spaces, for God's sake how can that not be a good thing?

[Macy]

Well then Ban smokes altogether then. Oh I forgot, the Government make too much money from them.

[SÓC]

Originally posted by Macy
So what of alcohol?

Totally against the ban - nanny state gone mad.

Big difference. If you go to the pub and drink its not going to give me cancer.

[Macy]

Originally posted by SÓC
Big difference. If you go to the pub and drink its not going to give me cancer.

Really?

Alcohol damages cells, thereby promoting cell division; stimulates enzymes that activate other carcinogens; robs the body of cancer-protective nutrients such as Vitamin A, folate and selenium; it irritates delicate organ linings; diminishes the body’s ability to eliminate dangerous cancer-causing particles called free radicals, and harms enzymes that repair damaged DNA. Some forms of alcohol also carry their own carcinogens, such as nitrosamines, into the body. The Director of Clinical Nutrition at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center states that those at the Cancer Center consider alcohol a toxin.
{Cancer Smart newsletter, published by the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, March 1996}

A seemingly small amount of alcohol is a very potent carcinogen. Alcohol is a poor choice of beverage if you have cancer. Avoid alcohol to prevent cancer and cancer recurrence: alcohol can greatly speed up the disease of cancer.
{Alternative Medicine, Definitive Guide to Cancer, John Diamond, MD, W. Lee Cowden, MD, and Burton Goldberg, 1997}

A Harvard University study found that one alcoholic drink daily led to an eighty percent higher melanoma risk, and in an Australian study, two or more drinks daily resulted in an increase of two to two and one-half times.
{in the book, “Skin Deep,” Carol Turkinton and Jeffrey Dover, MD, 1998}

Alcohol is a tumor-promoter and a carcinogen. The use of alcohol increases cancer risk and has a profound effect. For the lowest possible cancer risk, alcohol should be avoided.
{International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), in the 1999 book, “Stopping Cancer before it Starts,” by the American Institute for Cancer Research}

The National Toxicology Program at the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services now warns that alcoholic beverages are “known to be human carcinogens.” The NTP now lists alcoholic beverage consumption along with arsenic, asbestos, benzene, and others as cancer-causing. This was based on three years of study and may call for future labeling of all alcoholic beverages to have warnings about cancer risk.
{Center for Science in the Public Interest Bulletin, May 2000}

A U.S. Government report on what causes cancer now includes alcoholic beverages.
{"New Cancer Report removes saccharin and adds alcohol," Reuters, nutrition.about.com - June 2001} Author's comment: Aspartame and ethyl acrylate were removed from the cancer causing list because of the pressure from industry groups.

Cancer risk may be increased by drinking any amount of alcohol. It doesn't matter if it's beer, wine or whiskey, and the best way to protect yourself from alcohol-related cancers is not to drink. Alcohol increases cancer-causing free radicals. Cancers of the mouth, pharynx, esophagus and larynx develop when sensitive tissues are directly exposed to alcohol in beverages.
{"Alcohol/Cancer Link Is Solid," American Institute for Cancer Research (AIRC) Newsletter -aicr.org - October 2001}

Exposure to chemicals is just one environmental factor that combines with a person's genetic predispositions to cause cancer. Others include diet, smoking habits, alcohol consumption, and exposure to sunlight, radiation, and viruses. Most cancers arise in people who were born with healthy genes: environmental factors play a role in perhaps 80% of all cancers. Prevention could greatly reduce this.
{"Cancer and the Environment: A Primer for Primary Care Physicians," www.psrus.org - April 2002

[WeAreRovers]

Originally posted by Macy
So what of alcohol?

Totally against the ban - nanny state gone mad.

100% totally bang on. If tobacco is so bad then ban it. If they are really worried about our health what about alcohol? Hypocrites.

When the thought police are round your house checking what your having for your dinner remember where this **** started.

I'm just glad I drink in ****holes where the ban won't be enforced.

KOH

[brendy_éire]

The arguments against the ban are pathetically weak. For those against the ban, how can you justify damaging another person's health just so a smoker can have a fag? Answer us that.

[sadloserkid]

Originally posted by Macy
Really?

The point being made there referred to passive smoking. I don't think passive drinking has yet hit the public consciousness in the same way.

[SÓC]

Originally posted by sadloserkid
The point being made there referred to passive smoking

Yup.
Let me rephrase
Ok if YOU (Macy) go to the pub and drink it wont give ME cancer.
Whilst smoking will.

[Macy]

Originally posted by sadloserkid
The point being made there referred to passive smoking. I don't think passive drinking has yet hit the public consciousness in the same way.

Jesus, don't tell me I have to trawl the internet for drink related brawls, attacks, drunk driving deaths and injuries etc etc. What was that case outside Annabell's that was in the papers recently again?

[max power]

i was in a pub the other night having a pint, i tripped and spilled my pint on someone, they fell over and died.......very sad indeed.

[Macy]

Originally posted by SÓC
Yup.
Let me rephrase
Ok if YOU (Macy) go to the pub and drink it wont give ME cancer.
Whilst smoking will.

So that stops you going to the pub now does it? How many barpersons didn't relise they would be working in a smoke filled environment?

Open up pub licences only to non-smoking pubs, and give customers and workers the choice of which they prefer. Or are they scared of the answer?

[Macy]

Originally posted by brendy_eire
The arguments against the ban are pathetically weak. For those against the ban, how can you justify damaging another person's health just so a smoker can have a fag? Answer us that.

They don't have to be in the pub if they don't want to be. Are you saying you walk into a pub expecting no one to be smoking?

[max power]

i work in the only pub ever to be on the cover of time mag, one of the most famous pubs on the planet, the temple bar and ask the management there about the smoking ban, they can't wait...a lof of foreign customers won't go into smoke filled pubs in Ireland, so a lot of people do care and will not go into these venues but will after march 29....eating ina pub with be a much nicer experience as well.....

[eoinh]

Originally posted by Macy
So what of alcohol?

Totally against the ban - nanny state gone mad.

You dont damage other people when you drink - unless youre stupid enough to drive. you do damage other people when you smoke.

200 barworkers a year die because of passive smoking in ireland - perhaps thats a good enough reason.

if i come home from a pub i reek of crappy tobacco smoke plus it aslo damages my health.


it would be kinder of you to urinate on me - less harmful (thats not an invitation for you to do that to me however )